Michael : Hello Curtis and welcome back everyone.

Curtis : You've been recording now since last April so this is the two-year mark. These are a lot of hours people can hear about the Urantia Book and the sphere near Saturn where they took Michael. With his permission isn't that right?

Michael : Well I was invited actually in a sense after dealing with Tan and Nela especially Nela she said, Do you want to come with us to see how things work with us? And I said, Will I be returning? She said, Yes, we'll bring you back.

Curtis : Will I be returning? (he laughs)

Michael : I wasn't so sure where I was going then I said something like... How things work around here? This technology I am surrounding by is so far advanced from anything I've ever incurred. Ever even studied I had no idea. And I said, I'm not so good in math. And she kind of almost laughed and she said, You don't need to have any mathematics you can fully comprehend and learn from us how things work with us.

And I endeavored to teach it from that experiential point of view of how things work with this group of celestial and this group of celestial beings is not the bad guys they are the really good guys and they are full of love and compassion and extreme patience. Their purpose for even interfacing with us is to help us along in attaining the very same characteristics that they possess.

Curtis : That's quite a gift they are giving us.

Michael : Yes. And it was laid out by a teacher for me on top of a table.
He drew upon it and I was amazed about it. He drew seven circles and these circles were in fact the very circles we are talking about. Seven psychic circles or seven cosmic circles. They are trans-dimensional beings and these are dimensional psychic or cosmic levels that have characteristics that we can,
if we desire, attain in this lifetime. We don't have to wait around for thousands upon thousands of years to figure them out. Of course mastery of these six or seven actually, seven levels of divinity attainment are much more full. It's sort of like we live on earth we are experiencing the same three dimensions
in time as everyone else but when we look around, there are people who are physically athletes, Olympic champions and gold medalists and it doesn't make us not having experience the same world. But there's a different level of experience and expertise within all of these circles. I'm not gonna say that I'm an expert in any one of them, including this one where we live in the three dimensions of space and fourth of time. Yet I live here and there are certain characteristics and that's all I am trying to expose, the very same teachings as that Daynal the high teacher that taught me these circles. I approached it from the first circle all the way to the seventh where he taught it from the innermost where the innermost is the first circle and he taught it outward, so the center circle is the innermost or the first. In my experiential approach the first circle was the outermost or what he would call the seventh that would be my first. Right now we will be talking directly about the middle one, the fourth circle which is the same from either direction.

It is an important area to master its approach. That one is what we are going
to be discussing about right now. Hopefully you will begin to understand some of the truth behind what I am saying. You may find yourself having realized it already. Anyway that's the way it is Curtis as far as where we are headed unless there's anything you want to add?

Curtis : Well, Brian from Oregon he just asked if there was a conflict with a different direction?

Michael : Oh yeah, I just explained that didn't I? Like I say Brian, I am expressing it from a mortal going in toward the direction where it's taught in the Urantia Book from the opposite direction which is from the highest order the innermost level as the first going outward towards the seventh. Of course
if you are teaching it from that direction or perspective the very first one would be the one closest to you which would be the farthest which is the reason for the difference. I am approaching it from the approach of a mortal. First of all from this concept of divinity attainment, becoming participants and attaining divine nature or the nature of those who live in the cosmic arena of transdimensional realities.

Curtis : In acquiring these circles are leading to our maturity as morontial?

Michael : Yes. Ultimately passing through the morontial levels. All the way
to becoming, as was answered my question, I was finally taken to this place, which in the Bible is called the secret place of the most highs. And I was taken to that place by the Daynal in an, I don't know a chamber of light or something like that. Anyway we ended up in a room of light and I met two people and I spoke to anyone of these beings of light who are called Vorondadek Sons who are high observers and whose responsibilities are to observe the progress of Urantia in its tough times. This same development is in this arena of becoming truly beings of light and life. He explained to me that our ultimate goal is to become like he, a being of pure light. That's a long way from being a mortal. But the attainment of the characteristics of it all is not limited to us because
of our mortality. It is actually open to us if we would just simply attain certain characteristics and these would break through into the spheres in which they dwell. They can come down to our level if they want to but they prefer to call us up to theirs.

So in this arena that we are at right now I am just going to be discussing is
the fourth circle whether you approach it from one going outwards or one going inwards it's still the same circle, number four is in the middle (of seven). It's an important one to realize. When we overcome this circle when we live within this circle of consciousness we are going to be given many more powerful tools to help us work with others in this life and to commune with them in their domain. We must first make this particular circle. In review the outermost circle I call the embrace of the love of God, it's the first one you attain, which is so full of warmth and assurance. You realize that there is actually a lot more to being alive than a lonely mortal experience.

I was recently just looking at YouTube where there's this video of these guys are showing these brand new million dollar homes at one point valued at a million dollars and no one lived in them and this big machine is tearing them apart just destroying them because the banks don't want them there. It really
is not right. It shows how raw the whole system is.

Curtis : Well if their thought adjustor is right by their side, it seems that we don't have to make each one of these circles on our own, the thought adjustor is right there with us helping us--

Michael : Exactly, all the way through.

Curtis : -- He is guiding us all the way through, and when we do get all the way through then we'll be able to communicate one on one with our adjustor?

Michael : Oh yes more than one on one.

Curtis : More than one on one- More than one on one?

Michael : Your adjustor becomes you and you become your adjustor.

Curtis : So isn't this what the adjustor wants? You said something about the adjustor and you being a slave to the adjustor. Is that what you meant?

Michael: Yes, I use that term because it's a hard term to think about, the idea of enslavement but in a technical standard without having slaves to a master we could never have the internet function. Everybody would be not able to communicate with each other all the computers could not talk to each other.
It would have to be synchronization. The term it's not always thought of as a negative term. In the technical world slave and master is not a negative or positive term it is just a distinguish-ment of roles and there is nothing wrong
to think of your selves as being a slave to the first source, the very energy that made all of the universe real.

Curtis : That's beautiful.

Michael: If I had to be a slave I would much rather be a slave to the first source than to Chase Manhattan bank or something, or my gold card.

Curtis : Well it's our superconsciousness that keeps us in line and it's good the thought adjustor is right with us making sure we don't step into any dangerous areas.

Michael: Exactly and there will be times in which the adjustor will help us make when serious moves are needed. It's sort of like can you imagine yourself going down a river and just drifting down a river, and coming to a point, you just came through some rapids which were very rough and tough and now you are on a very, very smooth and beautiful part of the river that is very calm and the scenery is beautiful and your thought adjustor says... Make the shore, step ashore, make the shore, step ashore. And you could easily keep gliding down the river but you decide I outta obey, I'll just make the shore and go to the riverbank or hit the shore some place close by because I can hear the continual reminder, Do that. And then you do and you start walking down the river and there is a huge waterfall and you go, Oh if I didn't do that I would go over this huge waterfall.

Many times there are things that are senses are not warning us about. And I always use that very interesting one which was told to me at an intersection that I frequent all the time which was to put the car in neutral. I was the first car at the red light. Put the car in neutral, put the car in neutral. I never put the car in neutral, put the car, put the car in neutral, put the car in neutral. And the light changes to green, and I pressed on the gas, and I forgot the car was in neutral. And the engine revs up and just as the engine revs up a car coming through there at about 70 mph zooms across the intersection. If I was there, if I had accelerated in there I would have been broadsided by that car because it came in quite a long time after the red light had changed. It truly had come through the red light and I said, Thank you and I put the car in gear and passed the intersection safely.

Curtis : Well your thought adjustor was right there with you and he knew what was going on.

Michael : Yeah

Curtis : Or she knew.

Michael: And the next discussion we will discuss about the other beings that will be helping us work with more empowering things. These angelic beings that will come about into our lives. And sometimes it's amazing to see what they can do.

Curtis : This is really wonderful to hear you explain in such detail with each one of these hours crossing over each one of these circles.

Michael : Yes. And I do not want to hit too many details because really everyone who wants to make, and chooses to attain these circles does it by living life correctly. You can be guided by people but you really got to live the life and the challenges that are in life and the imperfections that we live within. I mean as I said right now talking we're about liberty and this zone of liberty, number four, where we start to implement life, we extend our will into the lives of others sometimes is a position in which we must approach it with understanding of true attunement to the adjustor otherwise we may take liberties in the lives of others, in the lives of many sometimes, that are truly not from God, their source is very, very wrong. Hopefully we don't make any gigantic mistakes in this area otherwise the penetration into this fourth circle would be very difficult. Again it cannot be done if our ego is the most important area in our life.

Curtis : Well we'll keep one eye open to our adjustor and both eyes and both ears I'll say.

Michael : Right. I just said your ego has to step aside and then you start to
live it with the liberty to choose, choosing really as a slave to the choice which finds its source in the first source. And again my question and the reason I was invited to see how things work with them, these celestial beings, was because I wanted to find God, that is their highest motivation, finding God, finding God, and that is a point of common agreement between that thought, that hearts desire and that of the celestial, aliens those of a benevolent and kind and loving, truth seeking beings that live off beyond our universe of earth, outside of that, into the domain where so many other celestial beings live.

Curtis : Well Michael we are up to our 60 minutes and thank you so much
for this hour. I hear we now have 93 countries listening and that's good.

Michael : It keeps growing and this continuous expansion of listeners and of course they are not just listening to me you have so many neat things on your site. If you haven't checked out everything on helloearth take a look at other things going on there.

Curtis : We are constantly growing a little bit and talking about oxygen a lot and soon we'll be talking about magnetism because this all goes together. Thank you Michael and we'll talk to you next week and have a good week
and I will or we will all talk with you again.

Michael : Okay, aloha

Curtis : Aloha