Michael : Yes I'll take if from around there. Briefly let me ah... explain how it all started. And what it... what it.. why this is.. why this is the term God is in here. It from... it is because I was ah... out in my... backyard basically screaming at the top of my spirituality I guess you might say uh... just not... you know physically using my vocal cords but just screaming God where are you... I want to know you. Please make yourself real. Send someone to help ah... verify your reality. And I kept saying that for a long time. And ah what happened was... a star ah became a point of focus for me. And then it began to move and get closer... and then there was definite intelligence behind that star. And I knew that I had made a contact with somebody. Because there was defiantly a contact to that star. The star moved ah... closely... ah... to... slowly... close... to... was as close... enough to be within a hundred feet... of me. And ah that was pretty much my backyard and it was in the evening sky of course. The yard ah... ah grew ah... a beautiful blue lite haze. Lite lite. And ah the stars as it hovered it's formed a cross in it's four rays extended out a beautiful white and the bottom ray touched the ground. And at that point I had a lot of missing time because the next thing I knew it was bright morning and it was... into the day already and I found myself ah... there and there was a lot of missing time and um. I felt wonderful... I felt like I wanted to go back and ah... see the light... see the people that I met in the light... and I just couldn't believe. So here I am I'm going to be telling you right now for the perspective of the searching soul. What had happen there... and how much it's opened up in my memory... and ah now that ah... I have found ah... Riley's... testimony and story. I found out that ah... this is quite accurate quite the same as what I had experienced however from my viewpoint it was from a point of a you know... a human being searching of the reality of God. And that's ah... pretty much of... why... the question was of... where did humanity come from. Where did all of the... ah... creatures... even life on Earth come from. And ah I found out that ah... that we were not an accident... ah not some ah.... a um... you might say... um result of just the right mix of... of circumstances in that they started on a very simple level and worked its way up. We actually were... ah Earth was actually um... a build ah... one of the built sphere of life ah... that has been done throughout the... the new universe through the Milky Way Galaxy itself... plus other galaxies. And these people were explaining to me to something about that ah... how... ah... how... it's no accident... especially it's no accident that ah... it happened. So that question on... why... I mean... were we were we... you know... just simply brought here. Ah... as far as the human race was it just brought here. No it actually was developed here on Earth but... against the design that is humanoid And it's ah... because one of the things that I did go through was the description that ah... Tan and Nela as described by Riley. A very accurate description and very accurate drawing and ah... they are humanoid definitely humanoid. And they are very wonderful beings. They are full of love. And they of just... are able to ah... commune with God. And this ah... is an important factor in my knowledge is... here's... here I am trying to find God. And ah... ah... the next thing you know I am... with them and I am declaring that they are not God. Cause you're not God... you can't be God... cause... God is much more than you. And they never said they were God... but they tried to point me to God. And the ah. During the time in which I was with the council of the elders... in the hall of the elders. um. It was a very beautiful experience there. Because although I... had all my preconceived notions and things like that ah... I um... really realized that they... really wanted to point me in the direction... and to realize that we are only... only a... one very... of... of of of millions different worlds of just numerous numerous worlds that have been populated by beings that are... um... human humanoid or one of the other thing that it was not always humanoid but the characteristic was intelligent and God seeking beings. People... or beings that can make progress toward ah... being eternal... eternal beings essentially. Having a very very very very very very long... um life. Relative to time it would be... (chuckles) you might as well say it is eternal. So that's what ah... I experienced there... and ah. Is that what it was Curtis? Were we around there?

Curtis : Yes... we were talking about ah... how humans actually got here. Whether the DNA was the basis of life from here or from another planet. And it sounded to me the way you were describing it... that the ingredients were already here... they just changed it a little bit. And when you were speaking about trying to find God... these people weren't saying they were God... but... didn't they have ah... you were almost implying they had a hand in creating us or arranging us?

Michael : Oh yeah... They um... God as the creator of the Universe and of all life. They understood exactly what I was getting at. And of course they um... they knew that... ah I wasn't really capable of... perceiving the full picture. But what they wanted to do was some... some way to get to know me. Get to know me in several different way besides knowing my personality and actually did some things concerning my... my ah... actual health and DNA and all of that. And um... through that they uh... began to ah... show me that ah... there were other beings... similar and... ah some that are not... not similar at all their... and they are coming out of the hall of the elders. Let me give you a little bit of a wrap-up in their explanation and in what they did was. When I rode the levitators into the hall of the elders through an open space into the vast inter... inter space inside of the hull of the ship it is in the center. And I realized that ah... I was going to a really nice looking place and I always compare that with such a majestic and beautiful area it is splendid it's wonderful and full of life. Different. It is not some cold... intersperse... under surface of the sphere... no... it is full of life. And uh... enter into that. And after... I went through that discussion about what happened in there as far as my complaints and why don't they just come and do everything for us. But later they began to sing a song. And after I said I'll do what I can... you know within my ability you know. I don't have super abilities. But within that... I can do... I can do what... try to do... you know willing to do. What you want. And I don't know what you want but I'll be willing and ah. I am in the hall of the elders... and... they seemed to approve they really approve of the fact that I... said okay I'll do what I can and I noticed that they... had a happiness about them... they seemed pleased and happy. And then they began to sing... sang a few bars of... almost like a praise. And during that time when they were singing what I believed happened was they were simply allowing me to be a part of them worshiping God. They wanted that experience. They waned to give me that experiences. They knew that I wanted to know God. So in the way that they worship God... which was with a song... and with full heart... I experienced um... the blue light again and ah this wonderful blue light that engulfed them and myself also. And what happened I believe is in the bible in the Hebrew version of it... was there was a visitation of the shakena (? ?) glory of God in the holy of holies.. and that was visible. A visible light and ah... the high priest would be within that holy of holies and God would come there. Well what happened was a similar experience except all of these elders were engulfed in this glorious light again this blue light or so this blue light again and the next thing I know I am engulfed in their worship and praise. And this is my experience with them and they decided to show me how they reach God. And that's a beautiful experience. After that I was taken to see... some other creature that are not on Earth. First one was this big gigantic octopus guy. And I say guy because he had personality. I stood in front of him and... they said that ah... well my first impressions was oh... you got a gigantic octopus in here you know... we like to eat them. You know where I come from in Hawaii we... it is one of our delicacies we go after those octopus... we call them Tako. The next thing you know... I hear a reply from him... which is say... of... you look pretty good to eat myself... I'd like to eat you myself... I thought my goodness. I kind of got a feeling like... oh I didn't expect this... then I also got an understanding that he was making a joke. And I realized that... there is someone that... it was such a personality there... an octopus. And ah... I realized that he was at very... a high level intelligence and much more that I could have imagined and yet... ah... he was part of their crew or their function there. Then from there we moved over and we went into another place where I saw are very regal...

Curtis : What size... what size was that octopus compared to your size?

Michael : I was standing I believe maybe twenty feet away and at that perspective I was looking up.

Michael : Yeah... and he said about the book you know... there is a book on Earth that will help explain a lot of things for you. And ah... I didn't realize there was a book on Earth... and I jumped at it... that must be the bible... then the bible you know. But of course... it was another book. He realized the bible was... he didn't say it was a bad book he said it was... you know a good book and it's a book that does have some of this information but the other book is called... THE URANTIA BOOK called The Book of Earth or THE URANTIA BOOK. He went on and he explained that within that... you'll find a lot of the answers. And it's interesting how THE URANTIA BOOK actually does talk about what they call... the Spheres of Life and Architectural Spheres of Life. And the architectural spheres are really made-to-order worlds. And if anything describes... would describe this mothership around Saturn it would have to be a made-to-order a world. A world that literally is growing as it needs to grow. And is one of the farthest away from the bigger ones and the more gigantic ones that would surpass the size of our Solar System of course. But this one is small. And it's posted out here for our Earth... our development on Earth. They were literally... according to THE URANTIA BOOK they are a part of a group beings called the Life Carriers. And the Life Carriers are responsible for seeding life throughout the Universe and they are very very ancient in terms of their age. Actually millions of years... is easy for them to be that old. And that's basically as a mortal being as creatures that are created coming up to a level where we can worship God we can seek after God and try to be connected to the Universal Creator... is the actual level of creation which is wanted and desired by God because that is the point in which a creature moves away from being an animal to the potential of being an eternal being.

Curtis : I see. (Wow)

Michael : So that was like it matches. And I am looking at these other creatures who are probably very very old defiantly on their way and... to... if not already immortal... on their way to immortality. They seem to be like... very just regular... they can you know manipulate their environments. One of the things of course was their remarkable telepathic ability. But apart from that they were (? ?) beings... I wasn't looking at some spirit or something.

Curtis : When you said you were looking at ah... like a insect... on that chair or throne.

Michael : Yeah... that was not an image... not a hologram... or not some video seed or something they were giving me. In fact I remember when I was taking off from Earth... and they were showing me Earth... I kept telling me... just replaying some of our... they are trying to fool me you know. And it was a real trip away from Earth... and of course traveled in excessive the speed of light... very fast. But looking at this one creature... it was the same kind a... it wasn't the same kind of thing... I wasn't looking through a panel... I was looking through air... right at the... there was nothing in between... and ah...

Curtis : Were you making contact... was he making eye contact with you?

Michael : Oh yeah. Well the eye contact with... with one insect type or exoskeleton being. Was (? ?) designed it... it was similar to like a praying mantis. Very similar... except much larger. Such a noble character about it.

Curtis : Was he your size?

Michael : Bigger. 29:19

Curtis : Bigger.

Michael : I was also looking up at him.

Curtis : Also looking up.

Michael : Yeah. He was no where near the size of the octopus guy but he was big... I was looking up. I'm not sure... he was on this special seat.

Curtis : Did he fit in with the rest of the beings on that... on that craft out near Saturn?

Michael : You just go walking around with him and stuff like that. I'm not sure... cause I only met him in... like a throne room. And remember I in fact I in fact remember saying to my friend... my friendly Biaviian guy that was always with me. The first one... when I saw the octopus... I asked him... is this God? It can't be God. (chuckles) That is where they're on the you know... the same plane. Then I went over and saw the... the being that was ah... insect like. Very beautiful. Is this God? (chuckles)... no it is not. But they are on the same journey towards us. So... here we are as the planet Earth... and ah... moving toward God... and there is a very important factor that what happened to me... after I had come back from this experience... cause I had no memory... of all of this when I am describing right. But I was... absorbed in... one person's story that was ah... was given to me... it was we spoke... for quite a bit we're on the phone. And it was simply a bible story about Jesus Christ About how he came to the Earth as a son of God. And that how he had ah... made a way for all... of... anyone who would want to believe on him... would be given that track toward eternal life. And I just couldn't get enough of it... and I began to move my... my... desire to find even more. So I ended up... what happened to me... was... within a couple of a.... days... a few days later... figure about a week and a half later... I found myself with a... a minister... and I had accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior. And the next thing you know I'm... and I grow in knowledge and truth about this. And then I began to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit... and I began to notice that... and everyone began to notice right away... that I was not just the ordinary Christian that was coming up. There were certain things about me that was very strong. And certain gifts of the spirit... word of knowledge word of wisdom... ah... prophetic... seeing into the future. All of this stuff was really strong with me. And the next thing you know I'm a... I became an ordain minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and I had a church following and everything. And then ah... later on... ah more and more and more of the knowledge came through until I pretty much have quite a bit of it... almost all of the... of my... short stay over there in the... on the... that ah mothership. But along with that... I was given the a... pointed toward the answer for my big question which was... God. Where is God. How do I meet God. And the answer is here on Earth.

Curtis : huh 33:33

Curtis : Michael could you discuss a little bit about how you are becoming enlightened by these beings because you were there once so many years ago?

Michael : Okay we've got about... you know... about five more minutes. So ah...

Curtis : We have about... eight and a half minutes.

Michael : Eight and a half minutes okay. Well... let me put it to you this way... I had explained to you that... within the Christian circles... within the circles of ah... the Pentecostal group which believes that... many of the supernatural gifts of... of God... the holy spirit. They noticed that I was functioning at a very high level had a lot of things that I noticed that too... it just didn't seem ordinary. And this is one of the ways in which they are influencing the world. When I was with the elders... I definitely got the feel that at one point before the room turned blue with this beautiful light... they had... been... like praying you might say... for Earth. And this is a wonderful thing that I perceived so... yeah. So is that the answer.

Curtis : Well I was looking for... an answer since you've haven't been out there but... years and years ago.

Michael : Oh... as they pray for Earth they also are... communicating back.

Curtis : That is what I am getting at.

Michael : Huh. 53:03

Curtis : That's what I am getting at... their communication...

Michael : They are like praying for Earth or influencing... the receptive beings on Earth with their... influence. I'm one of them.

Curtis : And you pick up their messages... or...

Michael : The messages are not like coming in... where I can just sort of read them off. Many times there just... like a complete knowledge. And then I can just sort of give the words to the understanding. You know but certain things like ah... I was not even a clue on. Like ah... ... like 911 was one of them... where when 911 happened... I had no clue. I mean the first thing I knew about it was looking at it on the TV. However... quick flash back. About the year 1987... there was a skyline that was described to me... by a friend of mine who had ah... in accordance with my ah... my teaching. Described the skyline of New York... from the Jersey side across the Hudson as... missing the towers. And it was directly relating... um... directly relating to me about when things are going to get really troublesome here on Earth in the US too. And that was you know... back in '80 something... '87 around... around '87. And sometimes it does come to me sometimes it goes for... the information comes to me and I have to remember. It comes to who ever is receptive at the time sometimes. And ah... so that kind of stuff does happen and so people who ah... wonder if you know... if you got a question and I can ask them the question and if I can relay it right back to you instantaneously. Sometimes perhaps everything has its limit and they can tell you... sometimes they will not... tell you.

Curtis : You mean you can relay a question to these beings... and get an answer back momentarily?

Michael : Sometimes. Yeah.

Curtis : Well that is very interesting.

Michael : Yeah. Because it's... it's part of the... what they ended up doing up there with me I guess.

Curtis : So you have this on-going connection with them?

Michael : Um... I guess so but it's... not just with them you know... really pointing toward God. But... um... I am sure that a... because of... my stay there... I think they did... make sure that they got to know me well enough. And because of that you know... sort of like... I recognize your voice and I recognize you... okay you know.

Curtis : I see... so you can communicate with them... much more easily than anyone else could.

Michael : I am not saying that there... I was given the title as: Navigator. See when Riley was... when I talked Riley... a second time. The first time he was taken away... cause he was talking to Question and he briefly saw me and he want... Woo... what are you doing here. And he was getting very upset so they moved him away. And the next think I know I... went through all of this and later... toward the end before I leave the Mothership um... coming to this room and... I meet Riley and Riley is introduced to me as the: Ticketer. And I say... you mean like a conductor on a train... and no... that is his title: Ticketer. And then Riley looked at me and he said... I was introduced to Riley as the: Navigator. And Riley went and said... Navigate... he doesn't even know where he is at. And I said yeah... that pretty true you know... I don't really know how I got... I mean... how all of this works.. you know. Navigate... my goodness what is navigating... you know. And ah... obviously Riley is writing tickets and... ah... um a... I'm the Navigator. And you make the... I guess it will become apparent why that title was given. There was another one that was that girl... that lady... she is a little older than me. Caucasian woman that caught the ride with us... back... and she was introduced as a: Communicator. So there is one more that is probably really good at communication. Yeah. But ultimately... for everybody who is interested in knowing more... about this sphere out there... I called it... when I first saw the object they pointed it out to me... I said... oh you mean that light bulb? It had that spherical look but not circular. So... light bulb would mean like... oh... you have one photograph on your web site that looks like... a light bulb.

Curtis : Yes...

Michael : So...

Curtis : And we have ten more seconds. We'll have Michael on the 22nd of May... anyone just write in your question and we'll ask them on the air... and ah... we'll wrap it up... Michael and have you back soon.

Michael : Okay

Curtis : Okay Thank you... Aloha

Michael : Aloha

Curtis : Bye.

Michael : Bye.