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Hour 33

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Tuesday ~ 11 March 2008

Lucifer tried to destroy our connection with our thought adjuster

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Curtis : Well... we'd like to welcome you back again to helloEarth.info and Michael is on the line... and we're just going to start because we only have 60 minutes... and it just isn't enough time. But last week... we were talking... Michael was... ah... talking about Lucifer Rebellion... and... ah... forging of our souls. Well... hello Michael.

Michael : Hello... how are you after the flood?

Curtis : Oh... fine... fine. 0:34

Michael : Oh good.

Curtis : We... ah... had the river come in the flood room... in Wednesday at midnight ( 23.25" ) and Saturday at midnight ( 30.5" ). And we're all cleaned up... and it was just a inconvenience but... it wasn't a disaster like upstairs. But we... so you were talking about the Lucifer Rebellion... and... ah... we mentioned just before we got started that... we could go back there for a little while.

Michael : Okay... um... yeah... the Lucifer Rebellion is covered pretty well in the Urantia Book. But it's also mentioned... um... here and there in the Bible. And... and basically... he is ah... a very... high level... um... being... and angel of high order. And um... what had happened was... ah... he became filled with himself basically and... um... didn't see the need... ah... for... um... having anyone understand... God. And essentially wanted... ah... his own... own Universe. um... And he himself being the God of it. But he also did some tampering... and... ah... tampering with... ah... with... different levels of mortal beings. To try to assure his position. And ah... The Urantia Book talks about... as I have also be talking about... which is the ah... the ah... the thought adjuster. The fractal element of God. The little piece of God that we have. And ah... essentially he wanted to breed it out of us... or make it not compatible to us. And if you study... ah... some of the text in the Urantia Book... you begin to realize that... not all beings... ah... are... posses... ah... the thought adjuster... um... they are without the thought adjuster. ah... Essentially they are... independent of God to the degree that... you know... they... ah... are in a disconnect state. To um... what is called the primary gravity... circuit back to God... where we are drawing all things back to deity... toward God. And in a sense... ah... that is our... our... our journey... our... our real journey... which is being... ah... which was hidden from us... it is that hidden... that that mystery of Godliness... that was hidden for the ages of ages. And that was that Christ... ah... was in us already. And... ah... we have that... and that was hidden. So what the Lucifer Rebellion did... was try to intercept that... or try to dispose of that... in several ways. He did it... um... in a way... which was... um... somewhat in terms of spiritual leadership... and trying... ah... ah... to... ah... persuade others... who are over the circuit level of... ah... of angelic... ah... being... um... to direct... ah... different planets and different worlds away from the idea. And... ah... implement his own... ah... type (? ?) of philosophy of governance. And ah... have it completely apart. Essentially in this world... our planet's or present planet we have... all the elements and thesis of the Lucifer Rebellion in many of the things that we are... right now politically involved with. You know... ah... in concept with... the separation of church and state. In fact... many other types of...ah... ah... philosophies and religions of the world that... ah... one of the being... ah... atheism which is a type of religion... which is what anti God. But... um... that's the Lucifer Rebellion in a nutshell. However... ah... he had... ah... a very... ah... high order. He essentially had... had been given... you know... a great title... ah... his name means... the kind of shining one... the Glorious One... The Shining One. That was considered really one of the highest levels of... ah... beauty and... ah... creation... that...ah... was... was made. But... ah... in his rebellion he... he did some damage. And we are living in a damaged world because of that. And our... ah... sorting... the sorting through of who we are... ah... is... is... is a result that. And many times... ah... not everyone is attuned to the thought adjuster which... ah... tuned in... in-other-words... ah... dialed in. Because of some of the... things he did. Some of them were philosophical... ah... in terms of... understanding of... reality. And some of it was actually genetic. So... ah... these kind of things are great understanding of reality... and... ah... some of it was actually genetic. So... ah... these kind of things are great interference to the plan of... ah... bringing the whole world Earth into a state of... ah... true citizenship with the rest of the galaxy and Universe. And... ah... this is where... um... ah... things are right now... and in order to... overcome this... is all we have to do is really basically connect... ah... back to God. And realize that that... ah... that it is given to us... and that that that supposed power that he thinks... that people... you know... make Lucifer have of give him or his servants is put to... ah... a um... a very minimal interference... ah... interference level. You know... and...ah... that... that is what we have... ah... with this. With our... um... connection to the thought adjuster. The thought adjuster helps us in more ways then just... um... bringing our thought into captivity. Bringing them into... ah... the righteous field and bringing them into the... ah... the concept of never-the-less not... ah... my will... but... ah... the father's will be done. This whole concept... is... ah... is much more than... ah... ah... just... thought adjustment... it is actual communication. And of course... we've got... you know... laughs... you can put... on report... the a... um... any kind of interference which... ah... can interfere with... ah... the program that you have put yourself into. Which is... um... to become a... eternal being... with an alignment to God. ah... Back towards... ah... the first source and center. I believe that... um... there's other beings and other areas who are... ah... supposedly... ah... doing some experimentation with um... the human race. And there's a concept out there that they're trying to create a... um... a race... of beings... which are hybrid of human and... ah... their own type. You've heard of that... ah... Curtis?

Curtis : Yes... I believe so. 9:22

Michael : And ah... when... when... this... this interference happens... that... that... those particular ones who are making that move... are not of a level of being which is... ah... functional with the thought adjuster. And because of that there's less... much less. They hope to gain that... ah... back. And ah... or somehow gain that. And um... return back to the good graces of the ascending journey of... everlasting discovery and life.

Curtis : Is that what you mean by making their move? ( why did I say this? )

Michael : Making their move?

Curtis : You said... they... they... they need to make their move.

Michael : No... they were trying to make... um... make... not make their move... but make their... uh... um... they... they want to try to create their own... ah... way back... to... um... what... whatever they lost. Which was mostly the fact that they are not... adjuster in dwelth. They don't have that capability.

Curtis : Now all of a sudden... I think... all of a sudden I think you're talking now... about the thought adjuster.

Michael : Well I'm talking about what was... um... the lost element they're looking for. They don't care about our physical adaptable... you know... that's animal... you understand that?

Curtis : yes 11:14

Michael : They care about something higher than that. Which we poses and they don't. And it goes way back to... um... ancient teaching. Very very old teachings... thousands of years old. These... many of these teachings are... going back... where it show... the old dragon trying to... grab our... our gem away from us. This precious gem... is an old... ah... old... teachings. um... Where ah... little dragon tries to... take it away or is always chasing it... or something like that. And... ah... that gem just happens to be the thought adjuster that we poses. And that we just need to get tuned into. And that is... the crux of the Lucifer Rebellion. The detachment of the thought adjuster.

Curtis : oh... really.

Michael : I want... basically he said... I want to... eliminate that. I want to be in that position... of the thought adjuster. I will become like the master (? ?)... I will become the thought adjuster... I will control your thoughts... I will control what you do.

Curtis : I see.

Michael : You know... I will receive your worship... I will do... consent... you know... all of these things. Which continued to be that. He tried to take that place. Now using intelligence and logic... using physiology and religion using many other external forces. To try to blur or hide the thought adjuster enough... so that we wouldn't make that connection and effectively allow his ability to rule in our lives. um... That's the whole... the whole problem right now... you know. He has created a whole bunch of things which our legacy that still remain. And... ah... what what is to... ah... to happen is that... um... it's going to be more and more put down because much of it will be... was shown as... as incorrect. And as we become more and more... enlightened and knowledgeable about many things. Our um... his ability to rule... our hearts and our minds... will become less and less. Because our connection to... truth... back toward the... you know... the first gravity circuit... back to God... will become stronger and stronger... and and because of that the ah... the reflectivity of... God will function at a higher and higher level. And this is all made possible because of what Jesus Christ did. Jesus Christ... um... shattered that... that concept that he was trying to hide and um... and destroy. Even making um... You see... many of the... the religions of the world were... were... were essentially distorted even in... in... you know... their level of truth... to the point where... um... they didn't look... the truth never seemed to... be kept getting hidden... under layers of stuff. Whether it be... um... traditions or laws or... or ah... ceremonies and things like that.

Curtis : uh huh 14:57

Michael : But ultimately... it all boils down to... the thought adjuster is in us... and we need to be independently willed individuals to have a natural affiliation with God. And a natural desire... to say... never the less... not my will... but your will with God the father the original (? ?)... the first source... be done. And go about your life expressing... um... life and your decisions... in that light. So the Lucifer Rebellion tried to step in and destroy that... um... because he thought that as a useless thing. He thought... he could create an even... more functional... more quickly... ah... assembled... civilization and Universe. Without that long... um... and very very he felt... very slow moving... ah... circuit you know. Where people would... you know... send that latter of... of ah... progression... very very slowly. So... anyway... um... that's... um... the Lucifer Rebellion and ah... he was ah... actually put down.... the way is was it was made and laid out... and proven. So... ah... these who have been... ah... aliens coming around and operating. There are some who are continuing to operate... in their own... their own way. um... You know... thinking that they're... that they're... going to... ah... ah... create a... you know... a adaption... adaptiveness to their kind... their... their body type. To have... a adjuster... someone... back... I guessed... designed... so that they can... again have that closeness. Those that I've met... are not... they don't operate that way. They are all... very... ah... God knowing. And they were the ones who were teach me these truths. Not the ones who are trying to... gain in back or steal it away from us. um... One of the things that was interesting... ah... recently... um... was how... you know... some of these things like um... cattle mutilation. Looks like how... you think... okay they... you know... these aliens are mutilating cattle. They are coming over here and they are going to mutilate us one day. Well... as I said earlier... um... it's been... more or less researched out.. that the cattle mutilations are following a certain kind of... ah... concern... about... um... our well being. The well being of again our food supply. The... um... well being of our... our health. But somehow when you look at these mutilated animals we think... that they're serve no good. And they're almost demonic what they are doing. But they have traced...ah... the line of ah... of mutilations. And they point back toward... certain dangers that are happening. Like ah... one of them was that the mutilations when you line them all up... point back toward... a source of ah... contaminations from these... ah... these kinds of um... I guess... tens of live stock... and got... getting into our water supply. And... ah... we have... um... certain kinds of... ah... pathogens which are dangerous to our health. And of course that's why they take the cheek... area which is in their mouth and they... ah... um... the ah... rectum and other areas like that. To look at... um... if they're... after it passed through the system of the animal... that... ah... these things are going to be... a threat or a possible threat to us. So there... there is some of that going on. And now they are making... um... certain scientists... researchers are making... ah... making these... ah... these correlations... ah... more or less clear. So... um... even though it look sort of brutal cause they just don't need the animal anymore and they leave them in the middle of the pasture or whatever. It doesn't mean that they're... you know... um... treating them... ah... for some reason to destroy us... ya... it is the other way around.

Curtis : Yeah... they're actually inspecting the animals... and see how we are doing. 20:10

Michael : Well... not... we are doing but... we're doing some strange things... like you know... putting too much... um... steroids in them. And putting too many antibiotics in them... and creating... um... super germs and stuff. And... and they noticed that it was... you know... those fattening pens... or those pens where... there are thousands of thousands animals were kept together. And if you look at those mutilations downstream of that... you know... they were all in a straight line... and if you'd line them up... they pointed right at those pins.

Curtis : huh

Michael : And another one was lined all up... and it went right to an atomic... ah... facility. So you can see that... you know... of course from the air you can... you know... ah... you know... choose your... your animal there. Right down the line... to make sure that... you know... down stream of this stuff it's... ah... not causing a lot of problems.

Curtis : Sounds like... sounds like with them inspecting our animals... it's really seeing how we're doing. How... how because we're eating the animals... in a direct relation.

Michael : Right... yeah so... in a sense it is almost like... you guys better keep your... you know... we're giving you a hint. Make the right choices. And ah... you know don't... you know don't create... super animals. You know there have been problems with steroids in meat that have caused... people to go... certain people who are highly susceptible to some of this stuff...

Curtis : oh yeah. Very sensitive. 21:47

Michael : Yes... it causes real behavior problems in some people. And some of them are serious enough to... to be blamed for... um... violent episodes or even just getting sick. So...

Curtis : I learned a little... a lot more about Lucifer... or the Lucifer Rebellion tonight. With the ah... (did)... What did Lucifer do... to us... in a way... to ah... get us to not be able to communicate with our thought adjuster? How did he switch that off... and switch himself on?

Michael : Well... he was not necessarily that he was well able to switch himself on...

Curtis : ... he was trying to.

Michael : ... he was trying to... yes. Our... One of the most beautiful things... of what we have is our... our... um... personal choice. We can choose to do. This is something that Tan told my wife... and he says... you know... he was trying to explain something... and she just these words with Tan. And this is out... orbiting Earth someplace... cause she remembered seeing... you know... the planet Earth. And ah... she said... I have not choice but to... you know... and continued answering her question. Which was in relationship to... you know... something that Tan was wanting to know. And then he corrected her and he said... you know... you do have a choice. And... ah... rather than say you have no choice... say that you chose to... do that... you choose to do that. And that is probably one of the most... ah... fundamental of all things that the Lucifer Rebellion tried to take away from us... that free choice. But masquerading it as... um... more liberty. And ah... we're coming... kinda close to a time where... you know... there's ah... um... the idea of a... ah... a greater civilization... greater... er... greater thing was... one of the biggest... most well known... um... results of that was Hitler. And Hitler's idea of a... of creating this... ah... you know... Utopian Third Reich... ah... concept... you know. And... ah... essentially... saying that you know... much of what... ah... was... he was able to sell... make this great sell... selling point... really... really was the... bought in by a lot of people... that caused him to rise in power... quickly. Very much like how... the Lucifer Rebellion worked. And ah... that was political. But... then there's another aspect which Lucifer himself was well known for. And um... he... he... in The Urantia Book... says he personally wanted... to make sure that... he could get some of these experimental worlds... and Earth is a life an experimental... life experiment planet. Did you know that?

Curtis : yes 25:05 ( quick answer... it would seem to me ).

Michael : That's why there's so much diversity here. um... More diversity in life that a lot of other areas. But in so doing he wanted to... you know... in doing that... he had this... and still does posses... like a huge amount of knowledge on... on of... on ah... the DNA coding and stuff like that. But what I said much earlier was that... we've... we've come to a point where we've discovered... the end coding in... in... in our DNA. (? ?) starting end codes... ah... was broken down into... um... ah... God ever lasting in our... in the body you know. Which is the start code of all the DNA structure. And he want... essentially... he wanted to ignore that... that basic... ah... commandment. laughs.

Curtis : I see.

Michael : And ah... used DNA. So there is some problems... um... when you looked at that. When you looked at... um... trying to wipe out certain structures of... groups of people who had... um... perverted DNA structure. They could not ah... they... they were free roaming. um... They had their own ideas. They... ah... were people but... they were... they were not a product of God anymore. And as a result... um... one of the events that happened in a age was... a flood. When this flood was to destroy... a certain gene pool... a segment of the gene pool... a relatively large segment of the gene pool. Which was perverted. And the biblical term was used... that there were... there were these... ah... half breads that were running around... these (? ?) limb... are running around. And ah... they... um... essentially had perverted DNA. Now supposedly they are all gone... but... ah... there's a... a reintroduction and reinterference that happened after that. So ah... this next group... which is just about everybody in the world. um... Had essentially some of that... um... interfered with DNA. And ah... the problem was that... ah... it was um... wasn't given its full route. So essentially we are... um... to discover that... secret of the adjuster in us. ah... By ourselves almost. And of course the way it happened to me was... not just by myself... but actually being taught that and shown that and given the... given more and more of ah... of how... how powerful that is... in ah... we as living human beings. And ah... even though we're some... we no have perfect DNA. There are so many... um... times that... in health... just looking at health... how people have... have... um... certain health problems which are genetic... you know. They're passed down through the gene pool... or their ancestry. So... we don't have perfect genetics. But then our lives... are structured... with enough length and duration so that we can forge our souls which are truly eternal... in the crucible of this life that we live right now on Earth. But um... more importantly is though... is um... vehicle Earth... planet Earth... for the creation of the every lasting souls. um... Is ah... are going to go through an uplift shortly. And ah... um... the concept of... ah... of having ah... individuals who have good DNA. These are the ones that were described in the Bible as having... ah... more or less ah... um... better... ah... a better group of people. Not so much... for them as individuals and how they lived their life... but on what their DNA looks like. um...

Curtis : On what it looks like. 29:27

Michael : It looks good. In-other-words... I remember... you know those... ah... scientists type that I... I talked about with the... the really... the elephant men guys... the tall heads...

Curtis : yes

Michael : ... the big fat earlobes... and... their... they had this very human face... in fact it looked more Jewish than anything. um... But they went behind the panel... and I was just sitting there wondering what... trying to say hello hello hello. They went behind this panel and kept looking at. They were looking at some of the things that... that I was... that I am. As far a physical. ah... So probably behind that panel they were looking at... many things... many markers in the DNA and other things as well as other things spiritual... probably. As well as ah... um... who... ah... was the record of... of record is the thought adjuster. Each thought adjuster is of record. So... there's no thought adjusters running around without being known about.

Curtis : Right... it was those scientist guys.

Michael : Those scientists guys... yeah.

Curtis : yeah... Stagyians Riley called them.

Michael : ah... yeah... right right. And we've got... you know... an actually carving of one of them. Very close... um... although this... the one that I show on the site... he's got a kind of... Asian looking face...

Curtis : yeah

Michael : ... and they all had different looking faces... but the ones that I saw... ah... one of them was striking like a... a Jewish... face. laughs

Curtis : Is that on the site... under... ah... the Michael Connection?

Michael : yeah... The one that has that carving... the Stone Age carving. laughs

Curtis : Oh... it is the one that was on that animal the...

Michael : Yeah it's sitting on the... the ah...

Curtis : Ox or something.

Michael : Right... on an ox.

Curtis : right

Michael : So the ah...

Curtis : And you saw those guys behind the panel... and they were checking out our DNA... your type of...

Michael : Well I really don't know but they were... I'm assuming that they had something that they really wanted to know about. And ah... and they were looking at me... while they were ah... doing some of their tests. But mostly ignoring me and concentrating on the panel... but I was fully aware that... I was the subject of inquiry. yeah.

Curtis : uh hum. huh. 31:52

Michael : Anyway... I think there's question about about seeding... right... or... um... marking or tagging people. How does this... happen?

Curtis : Oh you... yes... ah... Nicola sent in a question of... it was mentioned that the humans who will be picked up have been preselected by aliens... how was this process done?

Michael : yeah... In this last position right now... it comes back to revelation... the book of Revelation... Chapter 7. And I mentioned it before... and I mention it again and it says... After these things I saw 4 angels standing on the four corners of the Earth... holding the 4 winds of the Earth. That the winds should not blow the Earth. Neither the sea nor any tree. And I saw another angel ascend from the East having the seal of the living God. And he cried with the loud voice... ah... to the 4 angels... to whom it was given to hurt the Earth and the sea... saying hurt not the Earth... neither the sea nor the trees... until we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. So this sealing is... um... a marking implanting... ah... one way recording of another... um... mortal individual. It want on to... this scripture went on to describe them as the 12 tribes of... Israel. But we know for a fact that they're lost... most... you know... 10 of them at least are lost in the world. And essentially gone into all the worlds (? ?). And ah... this is really what... ah... the tri... tries to present really is what is the... ah... the pure DNA that needs to be saved. And ah... um... this is going to come from a surprisingly diverse group of people. You would never think they were Israelites. You'd look at him and says... that's not an Israelite... he's an Indian. laughs... If you were to see the choices.

Curtis : I see. 34:02

Michael : yeah... And ah... that... that is um... that is um... the choices that are being made... and um... like I told you before... um... the last time I... I... ah... One of the times I saw them was just for them to come and they... they re-tagged me. One of the... one of the... um... implants fell out of the top of my head... which was a really old implant. It was one... that was ah... probably placed when I was a child. And that fell out... onto my dinner plate one night.

Curtis : huh

Michael : And then shortly there after... they came back... and they told me they had to put another one. So they put into my forehead... and one in between my ah... between my ah... shoulder blades... right in the middle of my back. In fact I told them to put it there. laughs

Curtis : really

Michael : yeah... I don't know why. That's... you know... as good a place as any. But ah... They said... well it may give you some problems... but we'll put one there too. Okay.

Curtis : And... where you when they put them in there?

Michael : um... In their... in... in a position where they're... they were... they were in control... their... their place not mine. laughs

Curtis : In their place.

Michael : yeah... Their place... which is probably a little ship.

Curtis : Did this... is this another... ah... another contact with them that you had when...?

Michael : yeah... That was probably in the 80s. yeah... Cause that's when the... about 1980... 85 around there... that's when... someplace around there... that's when the thing fell out. Anyway... that's just um... it doesn't bother me as... you know... some people are... you know... worried them... being cut out of your bodies... and stuff like that. But um... it's very interesting... you know. It wasn't like they... they were... made me scared or anything. yeah... They just needed to put one back.

Curtis : huh 36:07

Michael : I think maybe they... um...

Curtis : So they came down to Maui to do this with you?

Michael : No this was... ah... not on Maui... when I was on Molokai.

Curtis : oh... okay

Michael : And um... so... you know... periodically... I guess for... you know... not as... you know... going all the way back to... the New Jerusalem ship back there at Saturn... you know... they've come back. But... you know... definitely I was at the New Jerusalem ship at Saturn. This is a... a big weigh station... and a very important... ah... position where I think there's a lot of act... ah... continual activity in... ah... we're going to re... probably seeing a lot more activity in our skies... as they continue to... to mark... ah... some of these people. And it's... again... it's not by... our choice... you know... it's... it's their choice... who they... they tag... I think they're going to be... responsible for... too.

Curtis : So are... are you saying that these people that... they plan on picking up are preselected?

Michael : yeah... They're... they're selected by their choice.

Curtis : Their choice.

Michael : Their choice... not ours. um... ah... Riley has got... um... the concept of... um... symbols or tags or tickets or...

Curtis : uh huh

Michael : ... good-luck charms. But these... good luck charms... and... um... symbols and things like that... were... you know... used by temples... from ancient times to help support their activity. And um... it still goes on today. You know.

Curtis : Will they... ah... will they recognize any of these symbols?

Michael : All I know is... the symbols that Riley produces are much more elaborate than necessary. What I saw... um... to open up... the ah... viewer or this one... ah... thing that I... I looked into that had ah... supposedly a... you know... a view port... and you look into. um... Just took what appeared to be... just a simple pencil... ah... pencil drawing... you know. ah... A circle... and scribbled stuff in it... and I looked at it... and I says... (? ?) What do you need... this for? You know... you've got this tremendous technology... I mean this. And they just held it up in front of the lens... and it started operating. I don't know if it was a lens or what was it... but you know... you put it in front of it.

Curtis : Put what in front of it?

Michael : It is like a piece of paper. You know... with a...

Curtis : What did that activated it.

Michael : That actually turned it on.

Curtis : uh huh 39:09

Michael : Then he said... Okay... you can sit there and look into it... and I sat in that chair and looked inside. it was very interesting you know.

Curtis : And did you see several of these... ah... drawings?

Michael : ah... I saw... not... ah... the same thing... no... it was three dimensional... ah... it was... ah... um... if you wanted to... it was almost connected to your mind... if you wanted to roam this virtual... virtual actual... virtual... um... thing you could just... look around in it... in three dimensions. Almost like... walking into another room and... seeing everything... except you're... you know you're not in that room... it is three dimensional. So... it's not... um... those old Viewmasters... which you'd use stereoscopic three dimensions... those are pretty neat... but this is... not that at all... much higher... much... much further level than that.

Curtis : Michael... are you saying this... this apparatus almost had a... telepathic connection with your mind where you could see inside it?

Michael : yeah... yeah... Somewhat... somewhat a... a little bit... yeah. I wouldn't say... you know... it was giving me words and all kinds of stuff. yeah... It was there... I was looking... you would have looked into it. If someone had looked around the corner... it would turn... the view would turn around the corner... and I could see... all the way around. If I wanted to go... and I say... a particular object in there... I wanted to see more detail in it... it would zoom in... and I could look around... it is almost like a... a virtual world. And we... we've got that kind of stuff now essentially. But that's... it was... it didn't need a mouse or... you know... some kind of a control to go x, y, z access you know... it just wanted to know... I just looked in... and I wonder what's behind there... and it just goes... zoom. And it just moved around. I didn't need to... to have... ah... a you know that... a mouse. laughs

Curtis : uh huh

Michael : A keyboard. yeah... It was interesting... was ah... was something that I saw and I said gee... Riley's... ah... seals I guess... ah... could have come that thing. His ah... his ah... symbols.

Curtis : Why do you think they downloaded those into his head? Or what do you think about that?

Michael : Well... just before I got on with you... about... I guess... before... maybe 10 minutes before I called you the first time.

Curtis : yes 41:44

Michael : yeah... I was receiving a... a whole bunch of... ah... symbols... just... just coming in one after another. Except these symbols are not like... ah... drawn symbols... they were like really old. Essentially... like I was viewing... ah... stone carvings. um... And ah...

Curtis : When you said... coming in... coming in to where?

Michael : Into my mind. Into... well... I was watching it. And I was thinking... oh. These are like... you know... similar to ah... to ah... Riley's symbols but they are not pen and ink. These are carved in stone. You know... That's how it looked like. And they just kept flashing one after another... in front of me. And ah... they had... relief... they had a depth and relief to them. So... and they are all different.

Curtis : Do you think... they ah... they did this with you just before we were starting to record?

Michael : uh... yeah... They sort of... gave me that impression that... you know... these are... um... these are... ah... symbols... of... visual symbols. But I didn't understand them. I just looked at them. A whole bunch of them... and... okay... alright... yeah. And then they stopped. You know... okay. laughs... That was interesting. That's pretty much what I say a lot of times. That was interesting.

Curtis : How many symbols were they and... were there... and... ah... could you... do you remember any of them to draw one?

Michael : oh... um... ... you know... I don't really remember them in terms of being able to... to draw one... but you know... ah... maybe I could... I... you know... but I wouldn't... you know... worry about it too much. But... um... it is a... it is a... a way of ah... saying I am in touch I guess. But what I'm... what I'm perceiving from them that their meaning was... this is very old old old old... ah... knowledge. ah... The Lucifer Rebellion goes far far far into the past. You know... before human kind was around. So may have... may have been... you know... some of this... ah... really old knowledge that... that... ah... we need to put into perspective. yeah. So... laughs

Curtis : Ah put... put into perspective but... they...

Michael : Like the symbols that Riley draws... are like pen and ink and... and ah... what I saw was like... carved in stone. And... man... you know... if you think I am going to carve stuff in stone... you crazy. laughs... But it does bring to mind the Aununnaki. And I remember going to their Sumerian... ah... these museums. What museums were there? There were... the Luve in... in Italy... you know. I think it was Luve... or what is... oh no Luve is in... France... Paris France. yeah... I have got this travel... (? ?) yeah... blurred in my mind. laughs

Curtis : uh huh 45:09

Michael : But... yeah... And going to the Luve... we went to an area and... there was all these Sumerian carvings and stuff... they were all set in stone. And ah... tell us... a lot of them tell stories of conquest and of great... you know... works. But also from the Sumerians we get... ah... Zacharia Sitchin's stuff that he decoded from their old... old Sumerian writings... which are also set in stone. And ah... um... it's kind of a hint that... they've been... involved... those that I... I have... um... been with... are... are the same group. They know about each other. um... Those tall beings... really big... 8 feet... got... these guys were standing around. That one guy who told me about the Urantia Book... that one daynal he ah... those other guys are big... they were big...

Curtis : The water guys.

Michael : What... I... use as Riley's term was... Nyptonians... but I wasn't sure they were Nyptonians. But they look a lot more like... those stone relief... on the Sumerian. ah... There are some pictures of... some with um... really big guys... and... if... they are ah... smaller people around them. So... um... (? ?) goes back to... you know... that kind of time... and even before them. I suspect... a lot before them. To put... put... into perspective what... you know... what I am talking about. But... what we're... what we're looking at right now is um... I think more important is... you know we're looking at like your flood.

Curtis : uh huh

Michael : Is um... it's just a little bit of an exercise that we understand that... that our Earth is going though some rapid changes. Not only the concept of global warming... but global cooling. ah... There's some expansiveness going on that's causing... ah... our earthquakes to begin to happen. um... I did mention to you that... um... the Indonesian earthquake... which was very very large... nine point something. A huge earthquake... ah... showed such an expansive movement in our Earth... that... ah... our... our day got longer. um... Essentially our Earth started to turn slower because it got... bigger in diameter... it actually grew in size.

Curtis : right 47:48

Michael : And ah... that was a measurable thing that has happened. And they taught me... when I was up at the... ah... New Jerusalem... they taught me about the expansive... ah... forces on Earth. The Earth didn't... it's not the same size as it was a million years ago in diameter... it's bigger... in diameter... it's growing outward and expansive force.

Curtis : I put that link you send me... right under your hours...

Michael : oh yeah

Curtis : Where I have... ah... a little area of news... about an luminous UFO on the ground. And... Larry King live and...

Michael : oh yeah

Curtis : ... and ah... yes... some people can click on that and see... it's really a beautiful... beautiful web site... put together amazingly.

Michael : Oh you mean the one that... ah... shows... the... his theory that Earth was small and expanded?

Curtis : Yes... and how it's been...

Michael : But believe it or not... that's... that's what I am saying... I didn't learn this from him... I learned it... out there. And there is a lot of kooky things I learned out there. That... you know... I... I just... you know... started like... questioning them. laughs They looked at me... like... no we're telling you... what it really is. laughs And I'm over there... rrrr... you know... Earth doesn't expand... and... no no... go sit and look... you know. They showed me Saturn... and Saturn expanding and eating up its rings and things like that. But things like that... um... the concept of Gravity. I don't know if I'm going to go into gravity right now... but... one day I will. um... I thought I'd bring that secret... and it didn't turn out to be a huge secret in my mind once I grasped how simple it was. I said... if I'm going to take back some secret with me in my mind... I want to... find the secret of Gravity.

Curtis : yeah... That's a... that's a real question. 49:47

Michael : yeah... And it was a simple answer... which was... everything is growing. And then (? ?) the whole process... process of how to... understand that I... I... (? ?) simple thing. Imagine our Universe is... without... ah... without end. It can grow into and dimension... but it's only... it's relative to itself so no one would know it's growing. Because everything is relative to itself. Our... you know. all our measurements is all... based on... um.. um... relative to... our position... and everything... it growing including our measurements including our time. Then we no way... of figuring things out... ah... as simple as that. But they've over come that... that's why there is... a little bit of... um... movement in time... a little bit of movement in dimension and space... cause... that's what they do... ah... they shift things around a little bit. Now we understand phase shifting... ah... in terms of... ah... acoustics. And... and... ah... different frequencies or blending. ah... We can see phase shift... ah... ah... in... in terms of famous red shift. You know... when we... it's a Doppler Doppler shift or acoustic shift. We can hear that... ah... phase... ah... when a car approaches and then passes... you know that... errrrooo... you know... that phase shift.

Curtis : That Dopper shift.

Michael : That Doppler shift right. So if... ah... they're shift... um... basically our reality... a little bit... um... we can do a lot. That's a lot of phasing involved in some of that stuff. And that remarkable picture... I'm still trying to... say how does this guy take that picture? Because that's exactly what it looked like... that blue... ah... beam picture... of that... ah... that ah... conveyer... the light beam conveyer... how did they construct that out of... light energy? It's more than just light energy. It ah... this is ah... a byproduct of the actual... the actual devise... its ability to... you know... to give off light... that's why it has dimension to it. ah... Like cleaning broken off at the ends... amazing.

Curtis : That... ah... that link is called... ah... New Model of the Universe. Right below the NEWS area...

Michael : oh the New Model of the Universe.

Curtis : ... of the Michael page... yes.

Michael : ah

Curtis : But... but getting back to these... ah... symbols... that were these carved symbols... that were put in your head...

Michael : yeah

Curtis : ... before... we... ah... started this recording. Was this... ah... their example of saying... that we are right here with you while you are doing this... or?

Michael : yeah... You might say that.

Curtis : What do you... what do you think? 52:40

Michael : oh... It definitely is... because see... I don't... compose anything. I... I have to trust the fact that... if I am going to be a representative... of... ah... their desire to... you know... to communicate. ah... And I can't... you know... compose anything up myself. um... I can refer it or point it or... sort of like a... you know... a compass... navigational instrument... but... you know... I don't compose anything.

Curtis : So they... so they know we do this on Tuesdays... and they know we moved our clocks ahead... but Hawaii didn't.

Michael : laughs... yeah... I guess so... so um...

Curtis : I see.

Michael : yeah... Its... that's no problems... if you... like I said if you know... that. But it's... it's a two way street... you know... I don't want to... talk to them. um... They don't... always interrupt my... my thoughts... you know. They don't barge in... and take over. That's never happened. Even when ah... I first got examined under the light beam. ah... Nela... O-Nee-Sayer... she asked permission. And ah... you know... she was just... really wonderful about it.

Curtis : uh hum

Michael : You know... so...

Curtis : But ta...

Michael : There is another group that... you know that is... like I said... they are uncouth. They don't... they have... an agenda which is... not the same... they're not... they're sort of like... the farther rebellious group... you know. yeah...

Curtis : uh huh

Michael : yeah... But they... they... I've had no problem with any of them. I've never... you know... ah... ran into them.

Curtis : But you said they entered your thoughts... just... just came right in...

Michael : oh yeah...

Curtis : ... by themselves... just before... we started.

Michael : yeah... But it is not an invasion... it doesn't take over. yeah... I just realize what it is.

Curtis : uh huh 55:01

Michael : yeah... If I am doing something it will not come through. If... if I'm in a state or receptiveness... ya... which is the state I was... I was actually... you know lying down... quitting my mind and then... becoming more receptive and that's when I had received all of that. Which is not much you know.

Curtis : And... did you say how many symbols they sent you?

Michael : No... it was just a... just like somebody flipping the cards. You might say... ah... they went by... did you ever flip a deck of cards in front of your eyes?

Curtis : yes

Michael : See them change.

Curtis : yes they flash... yes.

Michael : They flash... all you can see all the deck change in front of your eyes. Which would be... you know... um... our retentivity of our eyes is ah... I think... one thirtieth of a second... or something like that. So if you were to flash them real quick and they all change... you know... and they... they sort of like... ah... move at that... ah... that rate. Well... you know... in one second... you know... maybe twenty would go by. And if it was happening for a minute... you know... do the math. laughs

Curtis : uh hum. So this was happening to you for about a minute before we started?

Michael : yeah... yeah... I was trying to stop them so I could read one of them... you know... but they just kept changing so fast you know. yeah... So I began to notice was... that they were... they were symbols... they were carved out of stone... and they were... they looked like they were carved in a... ah... in a... in a wall... but I was close up to the wall. The view was close up to the wall. They were not... little like... like tiles. No they were... um... close up to the wall. Also last week... no the other week... last week I received another one which was strange. I think it might have to do with ah... um... our present position... which looks like a tile... a triangular tile of an individual... ah... was being pushed out... a fabrication. Fake... of... of a... of a... some guy. And I was thinking... what does that mean you know. um... Seemed like a tile... but it was... painted up. Looked like... ah... a human with a dunce hat on... cause it was triangular in shape. And ah... this might have to do with ah... um... what's coming up maybe you know. What's going to replace... what's going to replace our... our... our leadership maybe... you know... presidency or something here in United States. Just some fake... ah... some fake construct. laughs... But it's nothing new. ya... We always... seemed to end up with something like that.

Curtis : yeah 58:08

Michael : laughs

Curtis : So his happened... ah... a few weeks ago... or this other one?

Michael : I think it was ah... ah... I don't know. It wasn't much... I think it was about two days ago... three days ago.

Curtis : uh huh... Well that is very interesting they do it... right before the hour starts.

Michael : yeah

Curtis : Just to let you know... well... we're set to go also. In other words... they're... they're right with you. So are...

Michael : I'm... I'm... you know... not... you know... worried about it but... you know. Part of the normalcy of being... um... becoming more attune... ah... closer. If you take more... if you take baby steps and we become... become more developed in a... in a Morontial sense. Many of the things that... um... happen... ah. You know... like I was saying one time I was looking at... a fountain... and noticing I could make the fountain spout right or left depending upon where... where I wanted it to go. um... That's sort of telekinetic... but then... there's other things that happened too... recently... um... I had a ah...

Curtis : oh... oh... We only have thirty seconds left. laughs (It's is not funny).

Michael : oh... okay yeah... Recently I had... I had a cut on my hand. And it cut across two fingers... and I was able to... to ah... put my thoughts into... ah... one of my fingers. And that heal... that finger healed twice as fast as the other finger.

Curtis : huh 59:50

Michael : And it was the... the deeper cut healed faster. And it was the one that I just put a... a thought of healing... and... and... it was... it would have focused on it... and... I did it on both... but apparently... laughs... So this... these are the kind of stuff that... all add up as a full experience of who we are. As we develope a closer and closer relationship... to our thought adjuster.

Curtis : We'll pick up there next time. This was hour 33... it's the eleventh of March.

Michael : yeah

Curtis : Michael... it was a pleasure... thank you very much... and... we'll... ah... pick this up on the 25th of March next time.

Michael : okay... ya

Curtis : In two weeks.

Michael : yeah

Curtis : okay Michael...

Michael : alright... Aloha

Curtis : Aloha

Recording Subject :	Michael from Maui visits sphere near Saturn
Host :	Curtis Cooperman
Executive Producer :	Curtis Cooperman Historicity Productions
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