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Tuesday ~ 24 April 2007
Introduce Michael from Maui Hawaii
begins telling his story.
60 minutes
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Curtis : Well Welcome back to ah... our show called Hello Earth. It's a Podcast. This is our second podcast and this time we're bringing ah... Michael into this mix. Michael contacted me ah... the first of February (really the 7th of February 2007) and said he was out on the mothership and... well I have talked to him... for quite a while on the phone a few times... and ah... I thought I'll let the listeners hear what Michael has to say and hear him talk about what he did out there. And also on the line is Andrea... she is from California and Michael is in Maui... from the state of Hawaii in Maui... so Hello Michael...

Michael : hello (electronic crash)

Curtis : Oh right there... we've got a lot of noise. Well we have had some technical difficulties getting off the ground here. Alright. How are you Michael?

Michael : Okay lets see that might have been a little too loud there. laughs

Andrea : laughs

Curtis : All right there we go. Alright hello Michael... so ah... Michael's going to start us off and tell us ah... I don't know if he is going to start from the beginning but he'll start wherever he starts... so go ahead Michael.

Michael : Okay Curtis and hi Andrea.

Andrea : hi Michael

Michael : The story... I guess I'll start with... the web site... The Coming of Tan web site. When I ah... was led to it from a show called Coast to Coast when Riley was on and the web site... the coming of tan was there. I decided to investigate this because it sounds very familiar to me... Riley's story. And I immediately noticed the pictures that Riley had drawn of Tan & Nela. And the accurate color representation of them I believe... was remarkable... like there is somebody that has actually experienced the same experience that I have and they have met the same people. I was quite surprised at that because of the popular stories of UFOs, gray aliens and the like and different abduction experiences. And my experience was the ah... (electronic crash) I probably asked for it... I um... did that one night. And what I did was I ah... went out in the early evening and looked up in the starry sky. It was a clear night and all the stars were out and ah. Over here in Hawaii we have pretty clear atmosphere... so you don't have to go to the mountain top to see a good look at the stars. And ah... I really was searching for more. And I wanted to know if God would make himself real. And I began to call out. Not necessarily with my voice sort of yelling... I was calling out in my heart from my heart... deep felt... ah longing. And literally asking for God to make himself real. Or if not... send somebody to make him more real. And ah... I began to be... my eyes moved over to a star that seemed to be getting brighter. And I thought maybe it was just because of the atmosphere but the clouds... there are no clouds and the stars around it stayed about the same brilliance. This one just got brighter and brighter and brighter. So I just kept looking at it and looking at it. And as I began to look at it I kept (electronic crash) saying the same things. Basically God you know I am looking for you... make yourself real. And ah... there was a point in which the star I was looking at looked back. I suddenly got a feeling that I had someone looking at me. Very intense. And then the brightness of that star... became extremely bright... and then it began to move out of its normal position. It moved and it swept into a lower elevation. And I began to look around... and I decided to move a little bit cause (?angle?) where I was looking changed. And it began to move in... not quickly or jerky but slow smooth. And ah.. it kept coming in closer and closer there was no sound. And there was a point where it must have been fairly close and I was beginning to really feel like... ah... this is not normal. No airplane. I see airplanes all the time... this is no airplane coming in for a landing. And I began to become more cautious and I backed into the house. And when I did I noticed my backyard which I was out in the backyard... turning a blue tinge. Blue light just lighting up the whole yard. And then I noticed... the star. It was just beautifully bright... brilliant. And it came in really slow and then all of a sudden four rays came out from it... formed a cross. And then the bottom ray... extended down and hit the ground. And its elevation didn't move from that point. And what happened after that... was... I um... ended up... waking up in the morning... it was like 10 o'clock in the morning. And I said... what happened??? Last I knew... there was... it was just ah... um... ah... it was dark and starry sky and I saw a beautiful star and that was it and now it's all lit up... it is morning... but I had...

Andrea : So that (? ?) would... May I ask a question.

Curtis : Yeah... go ahead.

Andrea : You felt like you lost time?

Michael : oh yeah. I mean it was in the evening... the next thing I know it is in the morning.

Andrea : wow

Michael : I was ah... I was ah... awakened in the morning ya... where I would have gone to sleep... but I think it was (? ?)

Andrea : Did you remember right away? 7:33

Michael : That (electronic crash) that I had lost time?

Andrea : ah well that ya... you didn't say that you had been anywhere at that point. Yeah so go ahead.

Michael : ya... okay. What happened was um... I had this wonderful feeling that I had met some people (electronic crash) (? ?)... that I ever had. And I... I um... went in and I saw my um... my dad. And asked him... where did the people go that were here? And they came over here and they... he almost said something to me... he almost acknowledged... and then all of a sudden his face just dropped and he looked like he was in a daze. Then I asked the question once more. And he said I don't know what you are talking about. So it was strange.

Andrea : huh

Michael : And ah that's (electronic crash) pretty much what happened. Right after that. And within a week or so... I found myself really really curious about the Bible. Really curious about um... learning more. And I found... you know a person telling me a story about it I couldn't get enough of it. So I ended up going to this particular church... which is a Christian Pentecostal Church. And hearing more about it... and then I ah... told him about the cross that I saw in the sky the bright sky... and he smiled. Anyway the experience was that I eventually through them was lead to a born again experience and through the baptism and the holy spirit which was... lead me to... a lot more... um experiences with you know... the gift of the holy spirit. Anyway these things are... are described... in the Bible. And later on I ah... became a ah... minister a Christian Minister and ah... pastored the... a church two different churches for three and a half years each... a total of seven years. And that was... at the end that... during that... at the end of that seven years... it was about about fourteen years away from that experience. But during the second three and a half years in that ministry I had a lot of remembrance remembrance of what was going on... in the first encounter. And then I began to realize that there is a lot more to angels than winged ah... nice people that said hello... in the Bible. So I ah... began to be... given more and more live memories. And these memories are... didn't come by regressive hypnosis or anything like that but just given over time. Through them. So ah... That's pretty much the first experience and then... the memories that...

Andrea : Can I ask how old you were?

Michael : hello

Andrea : hello yeah... I asked how old were you when this happened. 11:20

Michael : I was... when the experience happened I think I was about... 18 or 19.

Andrea : okay. How old... And if it is okay to ask... how old are you now?

Michael : I'm 54.

Andrea : 54 Oh wow you don't sound 54.

Michael : Thank you well my (? ?) ha-ha. Well anyway...

Andrea : So... go ahead then.

Michael : oh... any other... what is the other question you had?

Andrea : ah... question?

Michael : Yeah... did you have another question for me?

Andrea : Oh I do... um... but I'm kind of wanted to let you tune in and talk more. Um but about that experience... was it...

Michael : oh okay

Andrea : You said you remembered? Like...

Michael : Yes

Andrea : you were able to remember.

Michael : And most of the memories that come flooding back are... um... are (electronic crash) are Christian minister. And ah... there were other events in between that I believe I have had with them but not taken to the mothership. What I did remember first of all was... the experience of... in in in more of lively detail. And that lively detail included ah... you know the personal contact with Tan & Nela. And they introduced themselves to me... but ah... I couldn't remember their full name. But their last... the last part of their name was like... Quann... Quann or something like that. And I said... oh I can remember that.

Andrea : ah huh

Michael : It sounds like Chinese... you know... laughs... sounds like Chinese.

Andrea : okay

Michael : Yeah but it sounds that way so I could remember the Quann. The Quann.

Andrea : okay

Michael : Anyway... that was a little bit later. But what had happened was after... ah the beautiful star experience... I went into a point where. Out of the... the bright light came a beam of... a beam of light. That swung over toward me. And it was sort of strange because... like a giant fluorescent bulb that come out of the ship and it come right it toward me. And the next thing I know... I've... you know I'm afraid of... wow what happened... I have doubt in my face... I am hiding from it... I can't hide it was really bright.

Andrea : wow 14:00

Michael : The next thing you know... I'm out (electronic crash) in it. And I am going... wow... I'm going up... I'm going to the light... you know... this is cool. laughs

Andrea : So wait... when you were inside of your house...

(ELECTRONIC CRASH)

Curtis : ahhhh

Michael : yeah it sounded that.

Curtis : Sorry

Michael : Yeah it's okay. It's okay now.

Curtis : It's okay now.

Michael : Yeah. I was inside of my house and um... this is one of the strange things that ah... happened was... I must have gone right through the house. The beam appears right in there connected to the ship.

Andrea : Was it like a white or a green... or what color?

Michael : Blue-Green

Andrea : Blue-Green

Michael : yeah... And then later um... ah... I wanted to know how it worked and they kind of gave me a simplified it. Simplified ah... understanding.

Andrea : hum

Michael : I'll go into that some other time maybe.

Curtis : a huh

Michael : Anyway as I... you know... rode into there. And I ah... the next thing I know I see these... white... they are not grays... they look like um but they are cute. Their white and they give me this feeling like they're cute. Cute kids. They act like kids... you know curious. And I said... wow... these guys are not human. And they are cute you know... and they are at my feet and they are looking at me. In walks... this person... I guess you might call her Nela.

Andrea : okay

Michael : I might as well give her that name... and ah... She walks in and instructs them to leave... and they do. They leave. And um... I'm left there with Nela... and she is looking at me. And I'm ah... notice all of a sudden that... not all of a sudden... I notice Tan walk in. And Tan is... scary looking because his face is bloody red... his ah you know they don't have hair. They have...

Andrea : oh wow... it's just like in Riley's book... Tan's face is red.

Michael : Yeah bloody red.

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Andrea : Wow 16:26

Michael : And with veins... vascularity... all over his head and his face. But very strong vascularity and ah... it was scary I thought... you know at first wow and I got scared you know and then I heard Nela in my head... tell him... leave you are scaring him. And I... okay you know... and then what happened was interesting was um. At that point when he left... I was left looking at her into her face... and her face was bloody red... it was similar. She looked into my eyes and then... oh telepathically to me and said Michael don't be afraid. And... that's when I felt so much love... I felt this wonderful pure love... like a... like a spiritual embrace from them. And it was... so pure... that all of the fear that I had for Tan and the whole the whole alien encounter just simply washed away and what was replaced was just being bathed in that secure love. I know there wasn't going to be any problem. These people are really really cool they are really nice full of love. And then un... she asked me... Michael... when I look inside of you... she asked for permission. And I said... go right ahead... and do all the looking you need you know. And then a light was passed over my body. Very powerful. And it seemed to be that (? ?) could feel it. And it may be true. And it spent time over my head... scanned down through my body... spent a little more time around my crotch and then they down went down went down for it and out my foot... out the bottom. So they scanned right through but there was two points in which it stopped. And ah that was one event and I um...asked... Nela how did you know my name... how do you know my name... Michael. And then her answer was like refreshing a memory. And ah... all of a sudden I remember... oh... ya I remember people being circling my crib when I was little. People who made me feel real good... you know maybe feel... warm and loved and secure and happy. And there were at my parents and they were at my uncle's and auntie's and they would come and visit me and I remember that. And that was one memory. And then another memorable... and that was... about... when I was a little older... probably around four and a half or so. And this memory... I remember them coming back... and having great time. And um they ah... and I went and ah asked... my parents my mother actually um... where did those people who came last night... where did they go? And she had no idea what they were. And that was pretty much the... you know that memory and then a little bit later... I was allowed to remember these two guys that came around the same time... pretty much around the same time. And asked ah my parents... my mother at first... ah... if they could speak with me. And they were um... men that were dressed in black suits and black hats. Two of them... and my mom told them no. You can't speak to him not until... your father comes home.

Andrea : So... Mike... can I interject Michael? 21:04

Michael : Excuse me.

Andrea : Can I summarize what you're saying because it is hard for me to hear so I think I am hearing you right.

Michael : okay

Andrea : It sounds like you are describing that you remember as a child being visited by Tan and Nela?

Michael : Well she was like trying to explain why how she knew my name.

Andrea : okay

Michael : ya... and that was refreshing my memories. Of a...

Andrea : So you have been contacted as a child yourself.

Michael : As a child ya.

Andrea : oh okay

Michael : And these... well I was talking about at the last part... was that these men in black had come over... now that I know this... not unusual to be seen around... and asked me if I had been in the back sugar cane fields where the big circle was where the sugar cane lay flat in a circle.

Andrea : okay 23:03

Michael : And my dad told me... tell them that I was not there. So I told them that and they were satisfied and left. And then after a time when I could go out there... there was no sugar cane left... they had harvested it. But anyway... ah... that was just a memory. But going back to that time when I am actually with Nela... I am also telling her something... and I'm telling her I'm angry. You know I am asking for God. I know you're not God. I know you people are not God. Why are you coming here talking to me... I spent time out there just... and guy coming... you come here. And she looked at me with a lot of sympathy and I believe they were not going to ever say they were God. But they're... on a mission. You know... so essentially. No cargo cult type of attitude with me an Nela folks you know. They are beings and they never claim to be God but yet they did hear me calling and they did answer in response to that... so... ah...

Andrea : I don't want to interrupt but I was just so curious because it's so interesting... um. Did see anything did you feel anything ever in any of your experiences that wasn't so good? I mean... Riley experienced in The Coming of Tan he feels like he sees these Targzissian... different species but did you only see Biaviians?

Michael : Ya... I can go into that a little later.

Andrea : okay

Michael : What happened was a... my dealing with them was um... just so far with... the white... the cute white big eye guys with big long fingers... and Tan & Nela. And moving on from that point you know... I am just filled filled filled with their love I really am just so overwhelmed I never felt that kind of love. And apparently it is because of their great telepathic powers. So along that line what is happening is um... I got all these questions you know. And ah... I just let them be. And ah... they let me get up and move around. And I noticed that they let me see outside of the ship and they tell me... what's that? And I am looking out and I see... ha ha ha it's Earth (electronic crash) ya I know it is Earth... it's Earth (electronic crash) And I got some... bit errors on the line I can hear them. But anyway... lets see there is Earth and ah... we're in orbit and I decide not to believe we are in orbit. I'm telling them... you guys are just playing that movie and I'm not really orbiting Earth. And they says we are not playing you a movie. I know I have seen these things... the men went to the Moon already we've seen all this stuff. Okay you know and then we start moving out past the Moon and they purposively moved into a position where I could see the Moon... well and could see us going past the Moon. And then I could see the Moon and the Earth. And then I could see the Earth and the Moon get smaller and smaller. And as that happened I said this is not a movie this is for real. And they yes it is you know. And a wow. And then it... they ah... I guess they clear ah... what I was looking through went opaque and I couldn't see anything. And the next thing you know they open up... it's clear again and they look and I said... wow. We're ah... I could see Saturn's rings... and I said we're at Saturn. And they said... oh you know where we are (? ?). And I said ya... we're at Saturn. Obvious this is the rings and you know this is Saturn. I know enough about our Solar System to recognize Saturn. And they said yes correct. And they pointed out a bright object kind of off in the distance. And I said... ya there she is. I see that light... like a globe glowing in the dark... glowing over there... and I say ya ya ya that's it. And I said... that is where we were going? Ya. Ah... and I instantly knew it wasn't a moon or something. But I had now idea of how big it was. And as we moved toward it... we moved... not super fast like anymore. I guess we were moving... pretty fast. And then when it came up to a certain point where... it was... it's dimension was pretty obvious it was big. And it pretty much took up the whole... my whole peripheral vision. Began to be filled with the object as we came in on it. And then I began to say we are going to hit... what are we going to do... we are not slowing down. They said don't worry... we're coming in. And as we went... we got closer and closer... and I said I was going to look for texture... I'm going to look for something and I never saw any texture. And the closer we got there didn't seem to be any more texture. And the next thing I knew... the doors... we went right through the outer shell. There was no shutter or anything like that... we just went right though. In the inter space between the outer hull and the inner hull... we went over to a dock. And then we docked. And that looked more normal. Seemed to be more texture with the technology involved there. And at the dock we got out. And they allowed me to look around a little bit. And the first thing I saw was huge V-wing craft... black V-wing craft... and it was big. Looking up at it... it was really high up off the deck and it had the wings... had wings. And my question was... what are you... I know you're in space... we just went... we just came from Earth to here... what would you need wings... there is no atmosphere or... they totally... it was ah just for that... it was just for atmosphere. Not that they needed to have it... but that they could... fly like a... a... a... a winged craft in our atmosphere if they needed to. Other than that it could be the other... method and I got... okay that makes sense. It is like a... just in case a fall-back safety design glide through. And said (? ?) sort of like that. And that's why it has that design. (? ?) (? ?) part of that craft... but I didn't get to stay there very long because I was moved along. So as I moved along and went on... (? ?) move up a... (? ?) craft and kind of a... not... I don't remember an elevator I remember walking up an incline. We walked up this incline... a bit. And then I... walked with someone else too... she was bare. We ended up in a room. And ah... there was another girl in the ship I guess. Might have picked her up some other time... or earlier or later.

Andrea : Can I ask a question now?

Michael : Yes

Andrea : When you say it was a girl... do you mean it like a human? 31:14

Michael : Yes human... she was human.

Andrea : okay

Michael : She was human... and yeah she was picked up about same... in the same ride... we took the same ride.

Andrea : And you said you were like 18 or 19 when this was happening?

Michael : Yeah

Andrea : oh wow... okay

Michael : Yeah. And then ah... what happened was ah... she um... she gave me a little... a token of the ride that we took. She said... you know they always make you forget when you take the ride and everything is okay... and they make you forget... but I'm going to give you this. It was a wire frame (? ?) wire frame balancing horse on a shaft. And it was a little bit clumsy of me to carry it over... you know just hold... it is yours now. So okay. So we walked on... we went on. And then I guess we must gone through some kind of... detoxification or something... I don't know... some kind of cleaning up... and smells good. And ah our stuff was left behind... and... we walked around in there. She went her own way. I guess they had some other business with her. And I was just like... oh what is going on anyway? And they asked me about... the... you know... would you like to know... and I said how did the beam work... how did I get up... through everything. And... they have a way of teaching you really quick if you want a... learn certain things. And ah... it. As I tell you a story... I'm telling you a story. And they ah... serial of progression. You know... and the way they... explained it to me was... they just dumped knowledge into me. Knowledge about the molecules and about the space between the atoms and vibratory rates and how they are... the light that I as seeing was not the actual light. The frequency was ah... you know... something much slower... and it was investing all of the... what do you call it the ah... I guess approaching ah (? ?) straight (? ?) theory I guess almost. And that's... now I kind of like realize that...

Andrea : okay 23:03

Michael : And my dad told me... tell them that I was not there. So I told them that and they were satisfied and left. And then after a time when I could go out there... there was no sugar cane left... they had harvested it. But anyway... ah... that was just a memory. But going back to that time when I am actually with Nela... I am also telling her something... and I'm telling her I'm angry. You know I am asking for God. I know you're not God. I know you people are not God. Why are you coming here talking to me... I spent time out there just... and guy coming... you come here. And she looked at me with a lot of sympathy and I believe they were not going to ever say they were God. But they're... on a mission. You know... so essentially. No cargo cult type of attitude with me an Nela folks you know. They are beings and they never claim to be God but yet they did hear me calling and they did answer in response to that... so... ah...

Andrea : I don't want to interrupt but I was just so curious because it's so interesting... um. Did see anything did you feel anything ever in any of your experiences that wasn't so good? I mean... Riley experienced in The Coming of Tan he feels like he sees these Targzissian... different species but did you only see Biaviians?

Michael : Ya... I can go into that a little later.

Andrea : okay

Michael : What happened was a... my dealing with them was um... just so far with... the white... the cute white big eye guys with big long fingers... and Tan & Nela. And moving on from that point you know... I am just filled filled filled with their love I really am just so overwhelmed I never felt that kind of love. And apparently it is because of their great telepathic powers. So along that line what is happening is um... I got all these questions you know. And ah... I just let them be. And ah... they let me get up and move around. And I noticed that they let me see outside of the ship and they tell me... what's that? And I am looking out and I see... ha ha ha it's Earth (electronic crash) ya I know it is Earth... it's Earth (electronic crash) And I got some... bit errors on the line I can hear them. But anyway... lets see there is Earth and ah... we're in orbit and I decide not to believe we are in orbit. I'm telling them... you guys are just playing that movie and I'm not really orbiting Earth. And they says we are not playing you a movie. I know I have seen these things... the men went to the Moon already we've seen all this stuff. Okay you know and then we start moving out past the Moon and they purposively moved into a position where I could see the Moon... well and could see us going past the Moon. And then I could see the Moon and the Earth. And then I could see the Earth and the Moon get smaller and smaller. And as that happened I said this is not a movie this is for real. And they yes it is you know. And a wow. And then it... they ah... I guess they clear ah... what I was looking through went opaque and I couldn't see anything. And the next thing you know they open up... it's clear again and they look and I said... wow. We're ah... I could see Saturn's rings... and I said we're at Saturn. And they said... oh you know where we are (? ?). And I said ya... we're at Saturn. Obvious this is the rings and you know this is Saturn. I know enough about our Solar System to recognize Saturn. And they said yes correct. And they pointed out a bright object kind of off in the distance. And I said... ya there she is. I see that light... like a globe glowing in the dark... glowing over there... and I say ya ya ya that's it. And I said... that is where we were going? Ya. Ah... and I instantly knew it wasn't a moon or something. But I had now idea of how big it was. And as we moved toward it... we moved... not super fast like anymore. I guess we were moving... pretty fast. And then when it came up to a certain point where... it was... it's dimension was pretty obvious it was big. And it pretty much took up the whole... my whole peripheral vision. Began to be filled with the object as we came in on it. And then I began to say we are going to hit... what are we going to do... we are not slowing down. They said don't worry... we're coming in. And as we went... we got closer and closer... and I said I was going to look for texture... I'm going to look for something and I never saw any texture. And the closer we got there didn't seem to be any more texture. And the next thing I knew... the doors... we went right through the outer shell. There was no shutter or anything like that... we just went right though. In the inter space between the outer hull and the inner hull... we went over to a dock. And then we docked. And that looked more normal. Seemed to be more texture with the technology involved there. And at the dock we got out. And they allowed me to look around a little bit. And the first thing I saw was huge V-wing craft... black V-wing craft... and it was big. Looking up at it... it was really high up off the deck and it had the wings... had wings. And my question was... what are you... I know you're in space... we just went... we just came from Earth to here... what would you need wings... there is no atmosphere or... they totally... it was ah just for that... it was just for atmosphere. Not that they needed to have it... but that they could... fly like a... a... a... a winged craft in our atmosphere if they needed to. Other than that it could be the other... method and I got... okay that makes sense. It is like a... just in case a fall-back safety design glide through. And said (? ?) sort of like that. And that's why it has that design. (? ?) (? ?) part of that craft... but I didn't get to stay there very long because I was moved along. So as I moved along and went on... (? ?) move up a... (? ?) craft and kind of a... not... I don't remember an elevator I remember walking up an incline. We walked up this incline... a bit. And then I... walked with someone else too... she was bare. We ended up in a room. And ah... there was another girl in the ship I guess. Might have picked her up some other time... or earlier or later.

Andrea : Can I ask a question now?

Michael : Yes

Andrea : When you say it was a girl... do you mean it like a human? 31:14

Michael : Yes human... she was human.

Andrea : okay

Michael : She was human... and yeah she was picked up about same... in the same ride... we took the same ride.

Andrea : And you said you were like 18 or 19 when this was happening?

Michael : Yeah

Andrea : oh wow... okay

Michael : Yeah. And then ah... what happened was ah... she um... she gave me a little... a token of the ride that we took. She said... you know they always make you forget when you take the ride and everything is okay... and they make you forget... but I'm going to give you this. It was a wire frame (? ?) wire frame balancing horse on a shaft. And it was a little bit clumsy of me to carry it over... you know just hold... it is yours now. So okay. So we walked on... we went on. And then I guess we must gone through some kind of... detoxification or something... I don't know... some kind of cleaning up... and smells good. And ah our stuff was left behind... and... we walked around in there. She went her own way. I guess they had some other business with her. And I was just like... oh what is going on anyway? And they asked me about... the... you know... would you like to know... and I said how did the beam work... how did I get up... through everything. And... they have a way of teaching you really quick if you want a... learn certain things. And ah... it. As I tell you a story... I'm telling you a story. And they ah... serial of progression. You know... and the way they... explained it to me was... they just dumped knowledge into me. Knowledge about the molecules and about the space between the atoms and vibratory rates and how they are... the light that I as seeing was not the actual light. The frequency was ah... you know... something much slower... and it was investing all of the... what do you call it the ah... I guess approaching ah (? ?) straight (? ?) theory I guess almost. And that's... now I kind of like realize that...

Andrea : So you felt like you were beginning to understand like a really advanced physics... but they're gypping you...

Michael : Yeah... but they given to you all of a sudden. Like in... just there. And instead of coming like serial port... you're given knowledge like a parallel port.

Andrea : wow 34:05

Michael : You know. It was just really fast. The Bible has a way of saying that it was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit... it's called the Word of Knowledge. Where you know... many many inventors or scientists have... given that they... thought of the concept of sudden inspiration. All of a sudden it all comes together in an instant. And... so it is something that we have that... isn't always used. But it is a method that you can use to communicate with ah... that is so cool. (laughs) Anyway that was interesting... but that helped me understand like... that is why (? ?) teach I didn't get (? ?) installed or something. And ah...

Andrea : wow

Michael : That was... is there like anything else you want to know... like up to this point.

Andrea : When you were with... walking with that girl or... when you were communicating with anybody on... it sounds like you're inside the mothership obviously.

Michael : Right.

Andrea : Okay... so were you using telepathy or like language.

Michael : Oh we were talking language.

Andrea : oh okay

Michael : Yeah. There was a point in which I noticed that ah... if it need be... um... um... they can almost act like a... bridge between... um... I noticed that between um... Riley and myself (? ?) when I just thought something and Riley knew what I was thinking and Tan was in between... so he was doing the translating... like bridging the telepathy across.

Andrea : okay

Michael : So I could sort of like hear Riley and Riley could hear me.

Andrea : Oh I see. That's news.

Michael : That was interesting.

Curtis : Yeah... that is interesting. 36:02

Michael : Yeah... there are other interesting things also (? ?) people that was pretty cool... but they've... but I kept. But one of the things I told Curtis was... I kept saying how stupid I was... oh I'm too dumb... I can't perceive to begin to understand these kind of things like that... I don't know what goes on. And they kept telling me... you're not dumb... you're not stupid... you are not stupid. You are well capable of understanding of what we are doing... you're well capable of understanding where we are at... this is just your first experience. And I guess it meant something cause... ah...

Andrea : huh.. So... it seems like trying to remember it is kind of hard... like trying to remember a dream. But it's not like a dream when you are there... it is more real than a dream.

Michael : Oh no its... yeah. I did what to verify certain things like ah... and I ah... met these twenty four (? ?) elders... dressed in purple robes.

Andrea : okay

Michael : Who marched past me. And later I was taken... this is... there is a lot of stuff that happened between this but ah... when I went to the... the ah... Hall of the Elders... which is held in the center of the mothership which has an open space... beautiful open space. The open space makes you... you can not see the top or the bottom... I mean it is so big. And I guess ah... you know... you look up and see the clouds (? ?) in the day... maybe a mile... two miles... three miles up. But the dimension in there... is just huge. So out floating in the middle of it is the Hall of the Biaviian Elders. And how I got to it was these little disks. They're of kind like a round disk. And you don't have to balance or jump on it or anything to get on it... and it goes.

Andrea : okay

Michael : And it took me out in the middle of... of all those... they have gone ahead. And I was left escorted with two other Biaviians in blue. And as I went out... into the open space you could see the Hall of the Elders floating out... not touching the ship... you have to go through like open space to get there. So I am floating out there in open space... white (? ?) clear levitators... I'm at the age of 19... and I say... hey this is sort of like ah surfing... or I wonder if it is like surfing... or you know... like that. So I decided to to rock it and move that disk... to see if I could steer it. And nothing happened. You know it just kept going on its own path. So decided to get radical and decided to... you know really push on it. And I said... but (electronic crash) I had already asked them can I fall off. And they said no it is impossible you can not fall off. So I said okay. And I have so much trust in them. So I started doing some radical maneuver like really getting leaning over and I found myself getting bounced back vertical again. I went almost horizontal and I felt myself getting put right straight back on. I did that about three of four times... and then one of the Biaviians said... don't do that. And I felt like a little puppy dog... like... okay I wouldn't do that anymore. (laughs) (electronic crash)

Andrea : wow

Michael : And that was the worst... the negative experience I had. laughs... Don't do that. And then on with... into the Hall of Elders. And the Elders look older. They really look old. The furls on the top of their heads looks like their brains are exposed. Cause they're... they're not like human beings that they have a bald head... it is like the shinny bald head now. Their head it looks like... looks like brains.

Andrea : okay

Michael : The furls of the tops continue on their foreheads continue all the way back. And ah... form a... a swirl pattern resembling like brains. And I told them... I kept thinking that guys got their brains outside of their head.

Andrea : laughs

Michael : And ah... they looked at me...

Andrea : That must have been pretty scary to see then right?. 40:49

Michael : Yeah... yeah yeah. At first... when I first saw them they... they. I saw them as they were... and they kind of scared me. And then they tried to put a different image when they went past the pillar. They came out on the other side of the pillar looking different. And I said... don't do that... I know what you are doing.

Andrea : laughs

Michael : I can see you as you are. And they all just relaxed. And then I saw them back that way again. And anyway... ah... I wanted to talk about... I wanted to feel their head. I wanted to feel... I asked them could I feel your head cause he said that's not... that's not your brain. And this is an interesting part. They looked at me... one guy... one of the Elders who sat down... he looked... they were all sitting down... and I was in the front of all of them... they're all facing me. And ah... I asked one of them... I asked them all you know... could I feel your head. They all... basically said... no. And ah... the next thing I know I have one of the Elders saying wait... look at me... so I looked at him. And when I looked at him... suddenly I could... I noticed his hand was on top of his head. And I... all of a sudden I felt like I was feeling through his own hand... his head. And I was convinced it felt like my own hand touching his head feeling his... you know... skin and his skull under his skin. And that was really interesting. I said oh... now you've convinced me... I believe you... I believe you now. You know even though you look kind of radical.

Andrea : So he used his own hand to touch his head so that you could feel his head?

Michael : Yeah through his hand it's a form of their telepathic communication.

Andrea : huh.

Michael : That is really amazing. That's one of the things that I picked up that was... I was... I didn't want to forget because... it is more than words now. All of a sudden... if they want you to know something... they can... if your close enough they can actually let you know a lot.

Andrea : Did you see any symbols?

Michael : (? ?) Ask me anyway?

Andrea : Were the Biaviian Elders like wearing symbols?

Michael : Oh yeah. Um... one of the symbols. The symbols that I remember is... like the Star of David.

Andrea : Okay a six pointed star.

Michael : That was interesting because it was ah... back when I was... back when this happened. In was... the early seventies. It. I don't think we had the kind of holograms around easily available... you know. But ah... it's more dynamic than a hologram like you've got on credit card. But is it something like that. When you look at it... I said... that's the Star of David... that's the star that Jewish people have.

Andrea : yes

Michael : And they said... count... count the points of the star. Okay... one... two... three... four... five... six... seven. Wait a minute... wait a minute... I can see it... it looks like six... I counted seven I made a mistake... let me count that again. One... two... three... four... five... six... seven. There was one point that just kept being able to... just appear... disappear. You know. So it was an active emblem.

Curtis : huh

Michael : Interesting though.

Curtis : That is very interesting. 44:41

Michael : Yeah it is like six to seven. Wait obviously (electronic crash) it looks like the Star of David but then... there is one point that floats. You can never count. Count just six you end up with seven.

Andrea : Yeah... seven is really prominent in: The Coming of Tan. Did you see like... is there anything seven about any of your experiences? Well I guess that would be it. laughs

Michael : laughs... That was the strangest thing you know.

Andrea : yeah

Michael : The strangest thing is... you know it looks like six points... you know it just gives you that feeling right away... look just glancing... that's it. Then take a good look.. take a good look at it... and you (electronic crash) finds that you did that several times and always came up with seven and I said I couldn't figure that out. Because... (? ?) in Geometry you know I did all that basic stuff that I was doing you know as a designer and a draftsman engineer and that stuff is easy to do. But when it was active... I... it was me (? ?)... anyway. That was... that was one of the things thinking... there was a lot of other things went on... oh yeah... you guys wanted to know if there were other people there besides him. The ah... the humans... and Biaviians and the white guy. Well the white guy was the big guy and I didn't see him much more... um. What happened was I ah... was... (electronic crash) lets see... I was ah... waiting in one area. And I seemed to be like waiting for something. And it was like a waiting area. It felt just like... it gives me a feeling like I was at a air bo age... just waiting in those chairs and you see all these people rushing back and forth. And I was looking at a lot of Biaviian people and then I saw someone... a group that looked sort of human... more human that the Biaviians the Biaviians obviously are humanoid but not human. But ah... this group... um... according to Riley... he calls them the... oh what did he call them... anyway they've this haircut that is...

Curtis : oh... the Dorians. 47:10

Michael : Yeah the Dorians. But I only saw... they were walking in single file... I didn't realize they were walking towards me in single file because I was facing one angle of ah... of ah... the walkway. And then as they began to curve and they moved around (electronic crash) I realized... hey they're twins. Cause I first saw two of them and then I saw three of them and then they're triplets. Identical triplets. No then... wait a minute... you know there was a lot of them that went past me... you know. Dozen or more. And they all looked alike. And I just like tried to get their attention... but they were... and they looked at me like I was some human just sitting there waiting. And... the only one that did say something to me was at the very tail end... was someone who was shorter. About the height of a human and looked human and said... hello... we're the Dorians. And stopped and talked with me a little bit. And ah... then... it's nice to see you here... and... oops I've got to go... and just ran like a child. Ran back and followed the line and went off. So that was my experience with seeing the Dorians which is... kind of strange because I never saw that many people look exactly alike except for that one last person. laughs

Andrea : huh

Michael : I guess that might be cloning idea.

Curtis : Michael you mean the last person looked different than all the other people.

Michael : Yeah the last person looked human.

Curtis : The last Dorian looked human.

Michael : Yeah... it was a she.

Curtis : I see.

Michael : And ah... she had the same uniform on... just... she was shorter... the Dorians are kind of taller.

Curtis : oh

Michael : So... well anyway. That was interesting. And I've... I was waiting there. And they asked me if I wanted to know anything else. They I mean... there were other Biaviian was... that was... that stayed with me... not necessarily Tan. But asked me that question why if I have anymore. And said I want a... like that age that I was at 19 I wanted to see what's under the hood... you know. With that sports car or whatever that hot rod I wanted to see what makes this thing go... so I asked them to see the engine. And they looked at me strange. And I remember there were two people... two or three people looking at me.. they both looked strange and looked at each other and said... oh he wants to see our power source. Okay so back we go. And this time we went down some elevator thing. We went to the deck again. And I met another... ah person down there. And he was working on a... a little ship. And ah... they spoke to him... and he turned and said okay. He opened up the ship and what I saw was a... a stomach. I immediately said that... it's a stomach. You know... and they told me no that's not what it is. And it looked like a living... squid... that was changing colors. How iridescent colors the squid can you know the colors just move through its body... it looked that way. And ah I guess I gave (electronic crash) the impression just gave it a thought you know... I want to rev it up and see how it runs. And they said oh... increase the power (electronic crash) demand okay and so they did. And as the demand increases the colors changed quicker. And it ah... and it ah... moved and if they lowered the demand the colors ah... didn't move as much. And the shape (electronic crash) that was ah... like a stomach. Had a... a tube... a smaller tube going in... a bulbous big bulbous area. And than it ah went back on to another tube... I don't know where that went. An the colors flowed ah... toward the end to out and given the idea that it was a transducing ah... device. Where controlled fusion would take place and ah the ah the energy was transductant in the hull (electronic crash) of that ah... that ah stomach looking thing. And the energy flowed both through the tube and the outside surface. And I also asked them if I could touch it and they said... absolutely not. And ah... I could anyway I could see that much of it and they gave me that much understanding of it ah... in an instant. And ah...

Andrea : So when you're actually looking at it... you feel like you understand it because right now you're explaining it to me and I'm like okay I have no... like conception of how this works... you know. But when you're looking at it... like the advanced physics do you feel like you get it or something?

Michael : I can hear you. 53:05

Andrea : Do you feel like you understand what the machine... your describing the engine of this... of some kind of ship?

Michael : I can... I can understand... I didn't hear your...

Andrea : Oh you didn't hear me... okay. I was just asking... um are you describing the engine of one of their like... ships that they travel in.

Michael : Yes (electronic crash) I think that what it was. Because it was a ship and they opened it up.

Andrea : okay

Michael : But it could have been an area...um... where they generate the power too.

Andrea : okay

Michael : Because when they opened it up to show me... they didn't look like a hood or latches or anything... you know here... this is what it looked like... just... opens up and see it.

Curtis : Was it making any noise?

Michael : None at all.

Curtis : None at all. And did it have movement... as it... you said it looked as it was alive?

Michael : Yes... it gave you that feeling that it was alive.

Curtis : Did it look like the rest of the ship as far as alien things or did like a... well you said it looked like a stomach.

Michael : Yeah it looked like a stomach in its shape.

Curtis : huh... So in other words it looked so different than the rest of what was... what's surrounding it?

Michael : um... Not all of... I never saw real... heavy texture... in the ship. You know what I mean by heavy texture? ah... Star Wars they textured up the ship and the battle cruises and made them look real gadgetry.

Curtis : yes

Michael : There was none of that involved there... things are smooth. The walls are... light comes out of the walls if you need them. Doors would open... places where you wouldn't see a door. (electronic crash) After that experience with the power generation stuff... engine... they are walking me back and then... to the right of me as I was walking up the ramp... we were walking up the ramp... I noticed um... a door open up... and I looked inside. And there was a... a basin wash basin and a toilet. And I looked at it and I said... that is just like it came... ha... from Earth. And they said yes. And ah... I said okay. And I walked up the ramp a little bit more and I said... can I use it? And they said... ya okay. I want to go back... and as I walked back I used it...

Andrea : laughs 56:07

Michael : and everything worked. I got fooling around with it and I was looking at it... and I said this stuff is like... right from here... from Earth. And they actually said yes it was.

Andrea : So did you use the... any of the facilities... did it like flush and stuff?

Michael : (electronic crash) Yes it flushed and the water came out and...

Andrea : giggles

Curtis : giggles

Michael : It was like... you guys made it just for me... and they said... no.

Andrea : laughs... huh.

Michael : But it was like us you know... really you know... I'm not the only guy... Riley is there and obviously others... went with me... to me anyway. ah... that's my story. And they had prepared that kind of stuff so... that's interesting... to me anyway. So I could journey back up with them anyway. I guess they're putting in some time because there are some things that have to be done. And as I set down and wait up there just back to the waiting area again. I get picked up and they're going to take you someplace... and I said okay. So we went... and they opened up a room. And ah... this room was just nice (? ?) space and stuff... it was like one big bed. And I mean... jump in there it was nice... so I roll around... and like one big bed... okay and what do you want me in here for... okay... just wait in here for a little while. And then... boom ah... the door opens. And in jumps this nude person... nude girl. She has no clothes on... and she's got all these purple marks all over her body... and she's got yellow eyes. And she's human. Just different kind of human... different you know. And I am looking at her... and I say... do you know what is going on here? Ah... and she doesn't talk... much... she doesn't say any words or say anything. And just jumping on the... bouncing around and so (? ?) and I say ya... jumping around... you want or play or something... well okay fine. And I still wanted to know... you know... what the marks are on her body were. And see looked at me... oh well... you know. And pretty soon... kept you know... trying to find out more about maybe she knew more about the environment I was in and what was going on. Then the door opened again... and in jumps a blond. And see is nude. She's big... she is beautiful you know... full... of... ah... bigger... and she is jumping around. Well anyway... another... both of them were telepathic. They didn't understand English... I don't think so anyway. And I don't remember having sex I just remember having a lot of bouncing around and you know... trying to get more information from them. And then after a little while... and then I... they went away... they shrugged their shoulders and went out. And then they let me out...

Curtis : Well Michael... I hate to cut it off right here... but we're going to have to... ah say good-bye right now in about 40 seconds. I just want to try to make this one hour. And we'll continue this next week. I hope... ah... I get this audio worked out better than... this show this ah...

Michael : laughs... yes 59:36

Curtis : this podcast was ah... made a lot of noise. I don't know whether it was analog and digital combined but... ah. Thank you for coming... and it's wonderful to hear this... ah... I just hope I get the audio better. It seemed like the first time was much better than this time. And Andrea it was wonderful having you back... and ah

Andrea : Yeah it was good listening to his story.

Curtis : And listening... listening to this was quite interesting wasn't it?

Andrea : Yes it was.

Curtis : Well Michael and Andrea... ah... we'll talk with you again... and I'll sign off and...

Michael : okay

Curtis : I'll say... aloha

Michael : Aloha

Andrea : bye Michael ~ bye Curtis

Michael : bye

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